Son has measles

[melodiousmoan]

Why do people not vaccinate their kids? My child has been vaccinated but only had his first lot as is 20 months. He has contracted measles. I chose to vaccinate him against this. Ill advised people that think if they dont vaccinate there's only a slim chance your child will get this disease you're wrong. You're increasing everyone's chance of contracting the illness by ruining the herd immunity that this country had created. Not only are you doing this, you're increasing people with compromised immune systems' chance of death. I feel terrible that my child has to go through this because of others lack of understanding.

melodiusmoan: No one has said that one shouldn't vaccinate. You have just opined that vaccine damage doesn't exist, which one minute's research would have told you is a statement which is nonsensical.

You state:
I feel terrible that my child has to go through this because of others lack of understanding. without a scrap of evidence that your child got measles from an unvaccinated child. Nor do you know that he hasn't gone and spread the disease either. So perhaps you could quit slagging off others when you haven't done any basic research yourself.

Your child is one for whom the vaccine presumably didn't take, but they won't have tested him to find out whether it did or not. How about having a go at the people who write the NHS pages, or the people at your GP's surgery, who have given you erroneous information? Why didn't they warn you in plain English that he might be one of the unlucky ones who was unprotected by his first vaccine?

Why? I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are. They way that you speak to people on here is disgusting. I'm sure there are a lot of people on MN that roll their eyes and think 'oh God, here's Cote again. Commenting for no reason...

ok maybe what I meant was, I'm not really staggered that there are so many people like you who blindly swallow the bollocks you are told without having the sense to think and do thorough research before launching self righteous rants at others who have very legitimate reasons indeed for their own vaccination choices
I hope your child recovers promptly but I find your complete disregard for reality and refusal to look into this properly before libellously launching blame at parents who make different choices to you actually rather offensive

Half vaccinated?

When MMR was introduced it was introduced as 'one jab for life'

er......

What we are beginning to see now in other childhood diseases is that when you remove a disease from circulation immunity doesn't last - especially amongst those who have been vaccinated. See recent whooping cough outbreaks for an example of this. In the case of whooping cough they seem to have decided to allow cyclical outbreaks as they'll be impossible to stop and moved on to trying to protect the most vulnerable (babies - who are now born to vaccinated mothers with limited whooping cough immunity themselves).

We'll have to wait and see what happens with measles. Unfortunately the passive immunity provided to babies born to vaccinated mothers does not last as long as the passive immunity of babies born to mothers who have had measles (that is not remotely controversial btw). Because measles can be so devastating to infants this could potentially be really quite worrying. Maybe having measles as 3 or 4 or 5 jabs for life might sort some of these issues out? Dunno, just speculating. Hopefully the cases are confined to the evil non-vaccinators as that would be a lot easier to sort out.

The problem remains though in that you introduce a jab at a time when there is a population with high naturally acquired immunity & circulating disease. Population immunity in those circumstances is quite possibly going to be very different to that found in populations where the vast majority of immunity is derived from vaccination and the disease is not circulating. Watch for the next 20 years or so, and if they collect clinically useful (rather than politically useful) data perhaps we'll find out.

Burn non vaccinators, burn them

Shakes pitchfork

"oh God, here's Cote again. Commenting for no reason..."

I know. It's horrible of me to comment for no reason.

You must be really bright to have figured out in your 1st MN thread that we all need to be in possession of a very good reason to post before we dare hit that 'post message' button, lest we anger the internet Gods. MNHQ, their representatives on earth, check that we have a reason to post and if they find that we don't have a good one, they pull the plug on us and we... are... never... heard... from... again.

Cafecito: I did my research, I read Wakefield's study. I read that he was struck off, I read that he is now making money out of this in reality TV in America. I went to a Meeting with other mothers to a talk from a consultant about vaccinating, I discussed, rationalised. I came to a decision.

The less people that don't immunise

An English teacher you say.....?

Vaccine damage doesn't exist

Riiiiiight.

Where is this planet where bad things never happen? Perhaps ds1 and I could settle down there and farm some land and have a nice picket fence....

"I went to a Meeting with other mothers to a talk from a consultant about vaccinating, I discussed, rationalised"

You rationalised?

What did you rationalise and are you under the impression that is a good thing?

You must be as terrific in teaching English as you are in... um... "rationalising".

Here we go...You're so predictable. This is my last post.II've said all there is that needs to be said. Thanks for the people, Lavolcan, Debs etc that didn't get personal and rude. It has been enlightening to learn from your opinions and take on board where you're coming from. It hasn't altered my stance but it has made me think about things in a different way, especially before I encounter mothers that haven't vaccinated in the future.

More importantly, my son is on the mend now thanks everyone for your well wishes. It has been a very worrying time. I trulyy hope that none of your children contract the illness as DS has only had a mild case and that was nasty enough. All the best everyone. x

That's right. You can call people who have made different choices "idiots" and that's OK but people who point out that your posts make no sense are too rude for your taste.

Do think about that namechange, melodious. Nobody deserves to be remembered for their first thread and you have been quite memorable on this one.

Why wasn't it either a vaccinated child or an unvaccinated child of someone who made that decision not to vaccinate but doesn't have impaired understanding?

I'm sorry your child is ill though. I have a 20month old too.

Clobbered 'Of course there are some kids who can't be vaccinated for perfectly valid reasons'

What are the perfectly valid reasons, and who gets to judge them as so?

Silly: Good teachers look for things to praise, not pick holes in grammar to gain one-upmanship. It makes your argument lack credibility if you have to pick holes in things that aren't related or relevant. I pity your pupils.

I prefer teachers to model correct grammar. I think that's quite important to be honest. Call me old fashioned

Although granted, there were a million other things wrong with your argument.

I am glad to see that your DS is now getting better, melodius.

There is now a certain irony in the position you are in: you have a child who has been 'partially' vaccinated, but having caught measles should now have natural immunity. Now, do you go to the surgery for the booster which shouldn't be necessary, but will keep them happy because they have targets to meet. Alternatively, do you remain part of the partially/unvaxed number who are ostensibly the cause of all measles epidemics going round, because what is the point of being vaccinated in the hope that you avoid a disease which has already been caught?

I write this a bit tongue in cheek, but I hope you can see that it isn't quite as black and white as you were led to believe.

My child was vaccine damaged.
I'm interested that apparently he doesn't exist.
Talk me through that one OP.