Son has measles

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Why do people not vaccinate their kids? My child has been vaccinated but only had his first lot as is 20 months. He has contracted measles. I chose to vaccinate him against this. Ill advised people that think if they dont vaccinate there's only a slim chance your child will get this disease you're wrong. You're increasing everyone's chance of contracting the illness by ruining the herd immunity that this country had created. Not only are you doing this, you're increasing people with compromised immune systems' chance of death. I feel terrible that my child has to go through this because of others lack of understanding.

then test everyone before they have a baby, give them the vaccine if they're not immune, but accept that not everyone will get tested, so some non-immune pregnant women are going round in a society full of wild rubella.

This would surely be an improvement on the current policy? I wasn't tested for rubella until the booking in appointment. I had had rubella as a teenager so I wasn't worried, and I was duly found to be immune. But otherwise, if they find you're not immune, they can't do anything until the baby is born.

For those that want the single vaccine they can bloody pay for it. The NHS is stretched enough as it is without having to deal with scaremongers.

Crimson Queen We don't live in a dictatorship thank god so that will never happen.

What about the fact that one thing cannot be completely and utterly harmless for every individual. Even something as boring as water can cause problems for some people. It is not a stretch of the imagination to see that vaccines may not be safe for every child. It may just be 1 per 100,000 or even 1 per 1,000,000 who has an extreme reaction but for some people that is still a problem and they will not vax because of that. As my friend I mentioned above said they just will not risk the chance their children could die within hours of having the jabs.

Debs what is your point?

Are you saying your friend has been advised by a medic not to have their child vaccinated? Or are you saying they don't want to take the risk because they are inherently selfish and couldn't give a rats arse about the people they may harm by being downright ignorant?

Debs you might want to get your friend to read Rawls' theory on the veil of ignorance.

Debs was the one with a relative whose children had died as a result of vaccinations.

if that was your child Crimson, would you like to be told you were selfish and not giving a rats arse - that would be OK would it? To be told: 'your child can die, but mine mustn't risk two weeks illness?'

Like I said read Rawls and the veil of ignorance. We are either all in this together or not at all. One extreme case does not give you an exit.

I stand by what I said unless there is a valid medical reason not to vaccinate you are being socially irresponsible not to.

Oh and for the avoidance of doubt if I had no sound medical reason not to vaccinate I would have no problem in someone telling me that I didn't give a rats arse about society because that would be the truth of it.

Which point? That I am glad we are not forced to do everything govt say is good for us or that nothing can be inherently safe for every single person. OK water is almost universally safe but I did suffer horrendously as a toddler when we moved house and the change in water type gave me really bad skin rashes. Maybe a better analogy would be something like milk or wheat. A large proportion of us eat them every day and are fine but some can't.

And my friend is not ignorant she is faced with a very real problem. Her aunt watched one child die and was told categorically 'there is no link it is just an unfortunate coincidence' Then she had another child and did as she was told was best and had that child immunised only to watch her die. After a lot of heartache and screening they advised none of them to have the jab as they couldn't say how big the risk was but there was a risk.

Maybe you are ignorant Crimson for thinking we should follow the herd and do as we are told

Are you really suggesting that she should vaccinate her children for the good of the community knowing that it could kill her?

Debs it is exactly people like you that scare the hell out of me. Wakefield has a lot to answer for but so do the people who do not vaccinate because they think it is analogous to a wheat intolerance.

I am saddened and simply lost for words that you cannot distinguish between sound medical advice not to vaccinate where appropriate and to vaccinate for the sake of society as a whole.

Ha these threads always end up in a fight.

For what it's worth dd was born with suspected chromosome abnormalities and the health visitor Mdcout reach nurse were going on at me about getting her vaccinated every child has them they're perfectly safe.

Being the sceptic that I am I did a little research and it came to light that children with these chromosome abnormality shouldn't have live vaccines. The Roto virus vaccine is live and therefore shouldn't be given to children with this deletion. When I raised this I was told again that they're safe etc etc. it was even put on her discharge letter to have her vaccinated. it was only when I pushed to speak to her consultant and that I wanted it thoroughly investigated that it came to light that my stance was correct- she shouldn't be done!! The discharge letter was changed profuse apologies given.

Now, if had taken at face value the advice from the experts I would have had dd vaccinated with something which could have been dangerous and caused all
Sorts of problems. (To save m

Sorry (on phone)

To save money doctor wouldn't do vaccines without the Rotor virus part so we waited to get the results of her chromosome test which has taken 12 weeks and was clear.

Interestingly some people with this chromosome deletion aren't diagnosed until later on and by which point they may have had live vaccines.

Something to think about maybe.....

Racmun it's exactly children like your dc that will benefit most from herd immunity.

So you believe that a vaccination is completely safe for everyone? Well I don't and after watching my son deteriorate into autism before my eyes I choose to protect my girls from that. Yes I worry when measles cases are reported but I stand by my stance not to vax them when they were so young. If I had been given an option to have single jabs I would of considered it.

As govts have paid out to vaccine damaged children I feel there is some truth to what Wakefield said. I know he has been discredited but some things still don't sit right so I will use my informed choices and make a decision about my children

Debs it is sad that you won't pay to get your girls the single vaccination and that you expect an already stretched NHS to pay for it. It is sad that you think the jab led to your sons autism notwithstanding the lack of medical evidence to support that link and it's sad that you are exposing your girls and society to avoidable diseases without sound medical advice.

I don't wish to upset or offend you but I really do find your stance untenable