Son has measles

[melodiousmoan]

Why do people not vaccinate their kids? My child has been vaccinated but only had his first lot as is 20 months. He has contracted measles. I chose to vaccinate him against this. Ill advised people that think if they dont vaccinate there's only a slim chance your child will get this disease you're wrong. You're increasing everyone's chance of contracting the illness by ruining the herd immunity that this country had created. Not only are you doing this, you're increasing people with compromised immune systems' chance of death. I feel terrible that my child has to go through this because of others lack of understanding.

He's half way thru vaccination schedule. Makes sense to me to call him half-vaccinated.
It's a lot more justified than labelling the OP as "misinformed" for thinking that herd immunity tends to prevent disease.

Not everyone who doesn't vaccinate chooses that course due to mmr/autism you know.

As I said earlier, another thread full of scaremongering and misinformation.

As others have said, vaccines aren't 100% effective. Immunity isn't guaranteed to last either.

I had rubella when I was a young child albeit a mild case. I'd also had 4 MMR vaccines instead if the usual 2, yet routine blood tests when pregnant with dd2 showed that I'd lost immunity to rubella since I'd had ds1 two years before so had to have my 5th MMR when she was born.

It means that he is half way through is vaccinations. 1 +1 = 2 1/2 of 2 = 1. Just so you are aware. Not one person that has disagreed with me has even attempted to discuss herd immunity. Clearly because you know you cannot dispute it. Ridiculous. My son has obviously had a milder version of measles, it is contagious as I have had a very very mild dose even though I'm fully immunised. I only shudder to imagine what it would have been like if he wasn't HALFWAY THROUGH HIS VACCINATIONS.(Just to make that clear to those latching on to my expression rather than the issue at hand)

Newbluecoat: To quote my previous comment to CoteD'Azur. Yes, you may say a few are unable to vaccinate for medical reason and OF COURSE I am in full support of this.

Can anyone offer me other reasons why people don't vaccinate. I'm keen to know why after weighing up the pros and cons, 'Highly intelligent' and 'well educated' people choose not to?

"Well what are you really saying? That vaccinating against measles isn't worth it? "

Really? That is what you understood? It seems you have missed the part where I said my DC are vaccinated against measles.

The thread was about 40 posts when you wrote that. Was it really that hard to RTFT before you post?

"He's half way thru vaccination schedule. Makes sense to me to call him half-vaccinated."

Erm.. that's not what she said. Even if it was, it wouldn't make sense.

OP's words are: My child has only had HALF the vaccination

The ignorance is relevant because OP is saying those who don't vaccinate are "misinformed". All of them.

I don't vaccinate with MMR. It is not 100% safe, nothing is, I object to the rubella element contained in the MMR, a 13 month old doesn't need to be protected against a disease that is dangerous to a pregnant woman. Since the mumps vaccine is to protect against adult male infertility I object too to giving this vaccine to a child. So I object , on moral grounds, to the rubella and mumps elements of the MMR.

As for measles, I'll risk measles, to me it's a risk that I'm happy with. Everything in life has a risk and some risks I accept.

I have a moral objection to consenting to my child taking on a risk (however small) to protect someone else's child. I'm sorry your child has measles OP but I can't, in all good conscience, risk my child to protect your child.

You expect other people to vaccinate to protect your child, if a child is damaged by a vaccine will you be there to help out with round the clock care? I suspect not.

This brings me to another point, why direct your anger at me, what about directing it to vaccine manufacturers and asking why we can't have a vaccine that is much more effective and after only one dose, a dose which can be given earlier than 13 months.

crazy - re "I had rubella when I was a young child albeit a mild case."

Rubella is a very mild childhood disease. So mild, in fact, that great many parents don't even know that their children have had it.

You should have been immune for life. I'd be interested to know:
(1) Were you a baby when you had rubella? (Lifelong immunity usually doesn't happen if you have a disease as a baby)
(2) Are you sure you had rubella? (Many viral rashes look similar to rubella and it is impossible to tell if you have not had a blood test during the 24 hours you were symptomatic)

"I'd also had 4 MMR vaccines instead if the usual 2, yet routine blood tests when pregnant with dd2 showed that I'd lost immunity to rubella"

^ This is why vaccinating small children against rubella is not a good idea and is not in their best interests. As a young girl, you had no need for rubella immunity. Then vaccine immunity waned and you were vulnerable at childbearing age when you it.

Cote: No I'm not saying that at all. it seems like You are deliberately paraphrasing to get some kind of enjoyment out of this thread. What has been lost in this is the message that parents who choose not to vaccinate 'just because' or are misinformed about herd immunity should think twice and do some research. I want to know why people don't vaccinate? You have no answers just picking loopholes and trying to insight others to do the same. Your first post was moldy threatening with: Pray my mates don't see this or you'rein trouble. School yard behaviour.

Ha mildly! But moldy will do.

I haven't paraphrased, melodious. That was an exact quote, including the CAPITAL LETTERS.

melodiousmoan Tue 25-Feb-14 09:02:15
Cote: My child has only had HALF the vaccination. It is people that don't vaccinate at all that are helping to spread the illness.

That second sentence is also wrong, of course. You child also spreads the illness as you have found out.

"Your first post was moldy threatening with: Pray my mates don't see this or you'rein trouble. School yard behaviour."

I don't have any "mates". What I have is years of MN experience and knowledge of previous vaccination threads where intelligent and articulate parents have discussed their reasons for not vaccinating their DC. I was trying to say you really should not declare that everyone who hasn't gone down your path of happy ignorance and blind faith are "misinformed idiots".

This seems to be your 1st ever thread on MN. You will learn.

Yes but it means he's halfway. I'll say it again but I feel it will fall on deaf ears: Herd immunity stops the spreading of the virus. The herd protects:

1. those only halfway through their vacs,
2. Younger babies
3. Those that cannot have the jab for genuine medical reasons.
4. Pregnant women
5. Old people and those with compromised immune systems

Therefore, if more people were vaccinated, the chance of my son getting measles would be diminished.

''This seems to be your 1st ever thread on MN. You will learn''

This is why you felt you could patronise, goad and belittle. Very sad.

Your category 5) doesn't follow. A substantial number of old people had measles as children, and may well have had their immunity boosted when their own children caught it, and it's that immunity which is still protecting them.

So sorry your child is ill, fingers crossed for a speedy and full recovery, It is a horrible and frightening illness.

I fully understand your frustration.

I also feel sympathy for those who do have specific sensitivities that would make vaccination a higher risk choice.

And I think that it is exactly for the benefit of those children as well as pg women, those with low immunity etc etc that need to be protected by all those who can be more confident about the overall value of vx to get it done. The more 'ordinary' risk people who are vaccinated, the less chance of spreading the disease to those who can't be vx.

Thanks so much for pointing that out Lavolcan. What about the elderly that didn't have measles or the 60+ year olds that will become elderly that didn't get it, or the UN vaccinated children in the future that will become elderly and need protecting?

I agree at category 5 doesn't follow: the over 50s had the wild disease which confers lifelong immunity.

Category 4 doesn't reall follow either. You are either immune or not immune based on 1-3.

1 could be better worded - I think OP means those who have not formed an adequate immune response following their vaccination (either because first didn't 'take' tho the. second might; or because they never will; or because it has worn off)

Ffs, you really are special

I wasn't belittling, patronising, or goading. You are the one who called people 'misinformed' and 'idiots'. I am the one who has been calmly talking to you about why I think you are wrong.

It is only a few minutes ago that I looked you up and saw that you have only just arrived from the land of aggressivity and entitlement, and I'm still giving you a lot of leeway because your son is ill and you are scared. Fwiw.