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vaccine yes or no??????

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123mon · 28/02/2013 12:53

Hi, i would like to know your opinions about vaccine please. I decide to dont let my 3 years old daughter have the vaccine and i was wondering if there are other mums that think the same as me

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123mon · 03/03/2013 11:10

ok and i did, and just because we dont think like you it doesn't mean we are ignorants.... we all think different thinks in life....

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Bunbaker · 03/03/2013 11:11

You might like to read this as well. And this

123mon · 03/03/2013 11:15

i don't need to talk to my GP (anymore), and im not here to be convince as im not triyn to convince anyone else

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JugglingFromHereToThere · 03/03/2013 11:16

I think more should be done to explain to people about herd immunity and how some children are unable to be vaccinated so really everyone else who can should be. Many parents, like me, are understandably nervous, especially when their babies are small and new, or with the probably irresponsible controversy over MMR.
But I think more nervous fence sitters could be persuaded with the right support and hand-holding and better education. Although a couple of people did spend time talking it over with me when DD was a baby, but I still felt confused and uncertain and decided against. I don't think I was in the right place to go forwards with it then, but I could now I think.
Sorry to any who are frustrated by my uncertainties and decisions. Of course we all want what we feel is best for our children, but we need to be helped (more than at present ?) to see the possible serious consequences for others too.
You're arguing your case very well from my point of view Trazzle !

123mon · 03/03/2013 11:17

bunbaker i already read that...

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Bunbaker · 03/03/2013 11:22

Juggling At least you are being sensible about admitting your fears. You aren't being obstinate and convinced that you are right and everyone else is wrong. I am not medically qualified to make important decisions about my daughter's health so I talk to medical professionals when I want advice.

I was nervous about the MMR 12 years ago, but talked to my health visitor and GP before I went ahead. DD is up to date with her vaccinations and is absolutely fine. I had a wobble when she was due the HPV vaccine, so again, I spoke to the GP and the hospital consultant she is under (for something unrelated) and went ahead with it.

JugglingFromHereToThere · 03/03/2013 11:33

DD has had the HPV vaccine at school, so I have made a small start I guess.
(Neither of them have had any others as yet)

pofacedplot · 03/03/2013 11:35

Bunbaker is absolutely correct in that the medical authorities like WHO made a decision about MMR based on what is best for the vast majority. MMR undoubtedly saves many lives. However, the possibility that be MMR MAY be a trigger for a very small subset of children [there could be a huge number of triggers, more research obviously needed] has been stifled in terms of research, because Wakefield messed it up, the media did massive scaremongering and the public were very scared, so the medical authorities put an end to any possibility of research - for the public good, they felt, because obviously, if loads of kids are not vaccinated against measles, there would be a huge increase in severe illness and deaths from measles [ and complications from the other two illnesses too].

Statistical research would not be very helpful in flagging up this very small possible subset. What it does show though is that MMR is safe for the vast majority.

123 you don't seem to know much about the vaccinations issue though, but if you have any concerns there are single vaccines available, that way you can get your child protected from what are not trivial illnesses, and circumvent the MMR worry, even though as I said, statistical research shows that it is safe for the majority, and the question of whether it can act as a trigger for a small subset of children is still very open-ended [as no research is being done on that matter] Obviously if we all stopped vaccinating there would be more deaths and severe illness from theses diseases.

However, regression is a recognised phenomena, in terms of a child developing normally and then regressing severely. It doesn't happen with all autism cases, but with a significant proportions. here No one knows why this happens and there may be a number of reasons, genetic predisposition, environmental triggers, more research is needed. What is not true however, is that parents just didn't notice before that their children lost all verbal, social and developmental skills. That is deeply unfair to those parents and just against the proven research.

TheSmallPrint · 03/03/2013 11:36

I don't respect your opinion. It's once based on made up nonsense and puts other peoples lives at risk.

HTH.

TheSmallPrint · 03/03/2013 11:37
  • it is one not It's once.
Tallgiraffe · 03/03/2013 11:38

Juggling - no one is judging you, 12 years ago the media was still in its MMR frenzy and had yet to come round to the research showing there wasn't a link. You are certainly not alone in not having vaccinated your child. Your GP will definitely be able to advise the best way forward.

OP - you asked me how I could be sure there was no link. Because I read scientific research, like the cochrane review that I put for you to have a look at. You say there are lots of doctors who share your views. Please can you link to some of their research? You have been given lots to read by myself and others on here, you have not posted one thing to back up your viewpoint.

pofacedplot · 03/03/2013 11:38

sorry for typos. ill Blush

123mon · 03/03/2013 11:46

pofacedplot for your information i know about vaxs issues more than you think and i also know that there are single vacx....
ant TheSmallPrint i really don't care if you respect my opinion or not

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pofacedplot · 03/03/2013 11:49

sorry 123 but your posts don't back up that claim. Also not sure why you asked the question if you don't want anyone's opinions. Good luck with your decision.

123mon · 03/03/2013 11:51

tallgiraffe i read what you posted..... and i don't need to back up my viewpoints

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123mon · 03/03/2013 11:56

pofacedplot i asked people opinions in the first place and i also respect that...but i didn't ask people to try to convince me or to be rude about it.... thank you and good luck to you too

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bruffin · 03/03/2013 12:15

Don't you think its very rude to ignore what other people are saying, dont have the courtesy to at least knowledge the research and not to give reasons why you don't agree with the research.And
You were the one who started this thread. People have taken the time to give you their opinion and you have ignored it.

Trazzletoes · 03/03/2013 12:30

Juggling don't worry. I'm sure you won't be the first person to go and ask about it. I don't think there's any reason why they wouldn't be able to start the vacc programme now - but your GP will be able to talk through it all with you

JugglingFromHereToThere · 03/03/2013 12:35

Thanks Trazzle Thanks

breatheslowly · 03/03/2013 12:57

So 123, you came and started this thread so that people could come on and say "yes, I agree with you" and give you a pat on the back?

123mon · 03/03/2013 13:25

no breatheslowly i wasn't looking for people to say yes i agree with you and give me a path on the back, i did ask your opinions, i also not expected people to be rude, i dont want to convinse anybody, i also dont need to back up my views, i read all the links that you people posted and i also respect all your opinions....

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bruffin · 03/03/2013 13:31

I think you are mistaking frustration for rudeness. You do need to be able back up your opinion if you want anyone to take you seriously.

123mon · 03/03/2013 13:41

ok but i dont think i need to back up my opinions thou as i don't really mind if people take me seriously or not at the end of the day i don't know any of you i only ask your opinions which you gave me in one way or the other.

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123mon · 03/03/2013 13:42

just because i dont think the same way of you doesnt mean im a bad person

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breatheslowly · 03/03/2013 13:47

So what was the point in starting the thread? You have made up your mind and don't care that others don't agree with you.