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vaccine yes or no??????

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123mon · 28/02/2013 12:53

Hi, i would like to know your opinions about vaccine please. I decide to dont let my 3 years old daughter have the vaccine and i was wondering if there are other mums that think the same as me

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123mon · 28/02/2013 22:34

that came from the leaflet that the nurse gave me when i asked what was inside the vaccine, so not a quick google search

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/02/2013 22:38

Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there.
Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.
Dihydrogen monoxide:
· is also known as hydroxl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
· contributes to the "greenhouse effect."
· may cause severe burns.
· contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
· accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
· may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
· has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Contamination is reaching epidemic proportions!
Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage in the midwest, and recently California.
Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
· as an industrial solvent and coolant.
· in nuclear power plants.
· in the production of styrofoam.
· as a fire retardant.
· in many forms of cruel animal research.
· in the distribution of pesticides.
· as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.
Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!
The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.

Trazzletoes · 28/02/2013 22:42

itsallgoingtobefine your point being?

I don't think that anyone is suggesting that the OP's daughter is going to suffer forced withdrawal from this substance...

Measles, however, IS a killer.

123mon · 28/02/2013 23:08

everybody its free to think and make they oun decision and i respect that

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/02/2013 23:35

My point being everything is chemical (dihydrogen monoxide =h2o=water), and every chemical has the potential to be harmful.

Vaccines may have lots of scary sounding ingredients, but they are in tiny amounts, and have been rigorously and scientifically tested, unlike most of the anti vaccine claims on the internet.

Given that most of us aren't experts in the field of vaccines I would rather trust my child's health to the National Health Service who make evidence based decisions, rather than some randoms on the internet...

Trazzletoes · 28/02/2013 23:38

Phew! Thank goodness! I mis-understood and thought you were saying the vaccine was dangerous.

I'm belligerent tonight so please excuse the rudeness in my tone.

SimLondon · 01/03/2013 00:10

Mumps is a very, very mild illness - most kids will show no symptoms and the vaccine is at best 60% effective.
Rubella - mild illness unless your pregnant - in which case vaccine around 12 - because it wears off.
Measles - the only child to have died from measles in the UK in recent years was a traveller child with other serious health problems.

Personally i went for the single measles vaccine and will go for rubella in future.

bruffin · 01/03/2013 00:15

Aluminium is the new Mercury!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Brilliant

sashh · 01/03/2013 03:16

OMG

MMR has sodium bicarbonate and sucrose, thats........... er that's almost a cupcake. No don't give your daughter a cupcake.

And no tuna sandwiches either, they contain aluminium.

Human diploid cells are grown in labs. Two fetuses in the 1960s were used to extract the original cells which have and are still reproduced in labs. So not really fetal tissue.

RememberingMyPFEs · 01/03/2013 03:38

Sim Mumps is mild if you have it as a child. It causes sterility in adult men (and I assume teenage boys)

Rubella is astoundingly dangerous for pregnant women and so, as responsible members of society we ensure all are vaccinated and girls have an additional booster at 12 to ensure it remains at bay.

Measles is very rare BECAUSE PEOPLE VACCINATE.

HTH

Salbertina · 01/03/2013 04:41

Pls do- years down the line in awful mess with dcs vaccinations (around time of fear of autism link) and under influence of dangerously ignorant homeopathic expert friend HmmHmm we didnt vaccinate.
As poster said below there's a reason measles is so rare! And what has Bill Gates chosen to spend his billions on? Thankfully! Children's vaccinations...

Tallgiraffe · 01/03/2013 07:44

Oh really. I do hope you're not for real because if you do genuinely hold these views that makes me Sad and Angry in equal measure.

The human tissue as you put it - this is a cell line, so tissue was extracted in the 60s and then has been cultures in a flask since then. Have a look on wiki or google how they work.

As for the list of ingredients, go to your bathroom and pick up a bottle of shampoo / soap / moisturiser and look at the ingredients. Lots of long scary sounding words? That's because scientists are precise. Just because something has a long name doesn't make it dangerous.

And finally, I have one of the conditions that was linked to MMR vaccine in that disaster of a study that has been discredited. Even if the link was true, which it isn't, then I would still vaccinate. Better to be alive, always.

bruffin · 01/03/2013 08:12

Sims
4% of mumps cases lead to pancreatitis which subsequently can cause diabetes type 1. Other long term affects include deafness.

IOM vaccine adverse affects, evidence and causality
Lots of information here about the diseases and the vaccines and evidence for and against their side affects.

MrsSchadenfreude · 01/03/2013 08:17

I had measles as a child. It affected my eyes. I'd like to be able to see properly, and not to have deteriorating eyesight. That's why I vaccinated my children. Oh and apart from my eyes, I ended up in hospital with measles.

123mon · 01/03/2013 10:18

as i sayd everyone is free to do what they think is best and thats what im doing...

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Blipbip · 01/03/2013 10:28

we don't inject shampoo, soap, tuna or moisturiser directly into our thighs

Yes there are rare adverse effects to contracting measles mumps and rubella, there are also rare adverse effects to immunisation. The difference is that you can get compensation for vaccine adverse events. WHO

bruffin · 01/03/2013 10:37

You eat tuna

Whydobabiescry · 01/03/2013 10:40

I live in Wales and currently there is an outbreak of measles in Port Talbot, 189 cases to date. The reason for this is parents mistakingly believing the vaccine to be dangerous, as a result nearly 200 children have been infected with measles. Statistically a number of those children will be left with permanent hearing and eyesight problems and a few will be hospitalised and fingers crossed none will die. Do you really think that this is a good state of affairs - I don't that's why my children have been vaccinated.

hermioneweasley · 01/03/2013 10:43

Trip trap

bruffin · 01/03/2013 10:44

The point tallgiraffe was making is that some ingredients sound scary when they are simple every day chemicals that are all around us in our environment.
Op has fallen for "it sounds scary so it must be dangerous" and not bothered and doesn't even sound interested in finding out how those ingredients really affect us.

bruffin · 01/03/2013 10:45

A not very bright one either hermione

Tallgiraffe · 01/03/2013 10:46

Yes there are rare adverse effects to contracting measles mumps and rubella, there are also rare adverse effects to immunisation.

No, these diseases are now not as common thanks to immunisation. One estimate accounts 200million deaths worldwide in the last 150 years down to measles.Have a look at the US census here for numbers of cases in America over the last century.

Side effects are common. As is death.

Librarina · 01/03/2013 10:57

Perhaps as a precurser to doing some research on the actual contents and chemical compounds of vaccines you get in touch with this organisation www.literacytrust.org.uk/adult_literacy That way you could ensure that your child is getting the best possible support and you might be in better position to make sense of what is a complex subject with reams of good and poor quality information available.

PhyllisDoris · 01/03/2013 11:23

Tiny, tiny, tiny amounts - you'd have more of most of those ingredients just from eating cheap crap supermarket food.

123mon · 01/03/2013 11:40

you can catch the diseases when you are vaccinate, and yes you get most of the ingredients in food and thats why we should watch what we are eating too... and i bet that the case of measels in Wales affeted mostly who had been vaccinated, anyway people as i sayd your free to think and do what is best but accept other people opinions too

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