vaccine yes or no??????

[123mon]

Hi, i would like to know your opinions about vaccine please. I decide to dont let my 3 years old daughter have the vaccine and i was wondering if there are other mums that think the same as me

[123mon]

i never thourght (10 years ago) that vaccine was dangerous i just trusted the sistem,so i never linked my daughter problems with the vaccine, i done my research in lots and lots places and the maggiority conferm that there is a connection between the vaccine and autism and my amazing knowledge that i know i share it with the people close to me, family and lots of other people that i know and the people whos share it with me. i was shocked too to find thinks that i know now...

[breatheslowly]

I think you are confusing belief and knowledge.

[Tallgiraffe]

I don't know why I'm still bothering as you obviously aren't listening to anything anyone else says. MMR does not cause autism as shown here by the world's most respected scientific review organisation.

I am sorry your oldest child has problems but these were not caused by vaccinations.

[123mon]

but how can you be so sure? i beleve that there is a link between the two, but other people don't, we can going on forever about it, but i know that there are lots of people that is thinking the same....

[bruffin]

Look at this thread. Lots of posters have come up with the research to back up their opinion. You have said its all a big scary secret and im not going to tell you.
I realise that English is not your first language but that is no excuse for not being able to back up your beliefs.

[123mon]

what has it got to do that english is not my first language, i live in england for more than 20 years, im from europe and i dont have to back up anythink....

[JugglingFromHereToThere]

I didn't have my DC's vaccinated when they were babies as was feeling nervous about it, they seemed so small.
They are now 13 and 11.
I've been reconsidering recently, especially since reading a thread on here by a Mum of a child with suspected mumps.
Should I talk to my doc again about arranging a catch-up programme for them ?
Anyone else done this ?

[Bunbaker]

THis thread is unbelievable. OP you obviously don't understand statistics. The medical profession always use scientifically backed medical evidence when weighing up risk factors for vaccination, medical treatment etc.

To put it simply if 95% of the population can be protected from a potentially fatal disease as opposed to say 50% of the population dying from it. Which option do you think the medical profession would chose?

Incidentally, I remember seeing people walking around with calipers on their legs because they contracted polio as a child. You don't see that nowadays.
Oh, and how do you think smallpox was eradicated?

[JugglingFromHereToThere]

I think regarding the idea of a link with autism maybe it's that MMR is given at an age when these concerns regarding children's interactions with others would begin to emerge ?
It can be so easy and natural to look for reasons for things and jump to conclusions about causal links where things are actually just happening in parallel.

[Trazzletoes]

Juggling I think talking to your GP would be a great starting point. They can talk you through any concerns you may have and what would be the best timescale to do it in.

[Trazzletoes]

123 there is literally NO evidence of a link between MMR and autism. I am really interested to know what you base your belief on.

I also struggle to believe you had no idea about potential risks of vaccination 10 years ago when it was all over the media yet now suddenly have this revelation.

If your daughter had no reaction to her first dose, why are you so convinced she will suddenly have a terrible reaction to her second dose?

[bakingaddict]

You will never get people like 123mon to see reason over vaccination, they continue to hug that seed of doubt planted by irresponsible medics like Wakefield till it grows into a huge tree. Even when thousands of studies, disprove the original claim by this egocentric medical person they continue to cling to the doubt like a security blanket.

It almost becomes like a religion for them where logic, reason and evidence based medicine go out of the window to be replaced by superstisition and 'gut feelings' and 'intuition' that vaccines must do harm.

[123mon]

i do understand statistics thank you....as i sayd im not here to convince people to do thinks so why are you try to convince me? i respect your decisions so you should do the same.... i think one think, you think somethink else fine by me, but just because i think different than you doesn't mean im stupid or sic or more

[bruffin]

Why are you here then?

[JugglingFromHereToThere]

Thanks for the encouragement and understanding Trazzle
Perhaps it could be done over the summer holidays, or perhaps starting in the June half-term ?

[123mon]

i don't listen to Wakefield, there are at lot of more docs in the world that are saiyng the vaccine are not good, as i repetely sayd we are free to beleve what we think is best so why don't accept that...

[nutellaontoast]

You know I was going to laugh at you all for arguing with someone who is clearly thick as two short pl immune to logic, but there'll be more people reading than posting and I'm sure you'll have convinced some people on the fence. I therefore shake some pom poms for you.

[123mon]

i was asking if ther were other parents that didn't vax they kids, and see what other people opinion was... simple as that

[123mon]

im not thick or immune to logic or ignorant i just think different than you and im not the only one, also i respect people opinions and i am not rude to people even if they don't thinks the same as me

[bruffin]

I think Op is Italian. There was a judgement in Italian which found in favour of an autism case. It is being appealed because basically the ruling used wakefield research as evidence and it basically said that we can't find any other reason so lets blame mmr.

[bruffin]

Cross posted.

[Trazzletoes]

But as I have ALREADY said, 123...

Us choosing to vaccinate our DCs helps YOUR child if you choose not to vaccinate.

Of course I am going to try my hardest to convince you to vaccinate because my DS has NO immune system. If he gets measles there is a very good chance he will die. It would be irresponsible of me to ignore the fact that you are making your decision on no apparent sensible basis (because your beliefs are all a big secret).

YOUR decision, that you want so much "respect" for COULD KILL MY CHILD. Do you understand that? I know you don't care whether he lives or dies, why should you? But it means pretty much EVERYTHING to me right now.

And you can't even have a sensible debate and provide evidence to back up your decision.

Why the hell would I not try to convince you that you are wrong?

I know I'm not going about it the right way, but I don't care.

[123mon]

and you are totally wrong bruffin.... and it doesn't matter where you come from, and i know lots of english people who they think the same

[bruffin]

They may think that way but i have never come across anyone who thinks that way who hasn't relied on bad or misinterpretated research or quack doctors who sell single vaccines.

[Bunbaker]

123 Why don't you talk to your GP about your concerns instead of posting on here and not listening to some of the excellent cases for vaccination, as nothing on here seem to convince you it is a good idea.

Incidentally, vaccinations don't cause squints, but measles and mumps can - read this