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Pt 7 (Feb13) Any old prolapse! Uterus/womb prolapse, rectocele, cystocele, enterocele, urethrocele, incontinence, pelvic floor, anterior and posterior repair, TVT etc

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WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 20/02/2013 19:05

This is thread 7 (again - see below) of a long-running series of posts from ladies suffering from pelvic prolapses to support each other through the process of diagnosis, repair and recovery.

With apologies for confusion in thread numbers - the previous thread was called part 7 but it was actually the 6th thread.

Here are the previous threads:

Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3
Thread 4
Thread 5
Thread 6

Info from BBC Health

What is a pelvic prolapse?

As the muscles, ligaments and supporting tissues in the pelvis become weaker, they are less able to hold in the organs of the pelvis such as the womb (uterus) or bladder.

Gravity pulls these organs down and, in the more severe cases, may appear through the entrance to the vagina.

A variety of problems can occur, depending on where the weakness lies and which organs are able to descend, but in every case there is some degree of prolapse of the vaginal wall, which begins to invert (rather like a sock turning inside out).
Prolapse of the womb or uterus is the most common prolapse, affecting as many as one in eight older women to some degree
Prolapse of the bladder, known as a cystocele, is less common.
Prolapse of the urethra (the tube that carries urine out of the bladder) is known as a urethrocele.
Prolapse of the intestines is quite rare, and known as an enterocele or rectocele.

Symptoms

Symptoms depend on which tissues descend, and how severe the prolapse is.

They may include:
A sense of heaviness or pressure in the pelvis.
The appearance of a bulge of tissue in the genital area, which can be quite alarming, and is often red and sore.
Urinary problems, such as having to urinate more frequently, feeling the need urgently, being incontinent (losing control of the bladder) or, conversely, being unable to pass urine when you need to.
Pain in the pelvis or lower back.
Sexual problems, including pain and decreased libido.
Constipation.
Vaginal discharge or bleeding.

Treatment and recovery

Once a prolapse has developed, surgery to fix the affected organs is usually the only way to cure it effectively.

However, another option is to use a device known as a vaginal ring pessary. This is rather like a contraceptive diaphragm or cervical cap. It's made of silicone or latex, and placed in the vagina to push back the prolapsed organs and hold them in place. Many women happily manage their prolapse this way.

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ClaresAvonRecruitment · 01/06/2013 20:26

Sorry meant to say, I couldn't have op if I came on, not that I could

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mrsclairet · 02/06/2013 10:02

Hi, I can't believe it our laptop has broken, aaaarrggghhh! We have got a desktop aswell which I can still use but I have to sit on a fairly hard chair to do this so won't be able to check in as much.

claresavonrecruitment - I really worried that I did damage with my first poo aswell as I had to push quite hard to get it out. Luckily that was only really for a day so I'm hoping it will be ok. It's a bit weird now though, when I feel like I need to do a poo (TMI) I feel like I have to go straightaway, I really hope that's not how it's going to be from now on!!! I don't think I will really relax until I have had my follow up appointment and he says everything is ok. I am day 11 now and am tempted to start doing jobs but in the leaflet they sent home with me it says you will need 2 weeks extended "hospital" care and under Housework it says you should have a rest for the first 2 weeks you are at home so I am trying really hard not to do anything much. The only place I have been to so far is the doctors!!

My legs are still aching but I have checked the symptoms for dvt and I don't have any of them so I think it must just be due to the inactivity. I have got quite poor circulation, this winter I have really suffered with my feet going numb in the cold so I don't know if that's something to do with it.

edwinbear · 02/06/2013 21:47

Hi all, checking back 13 weeks after rectocele and cystocele repair. Tr0ubled so glad to hear you managed to DTD Grin.

mrsclairet I had similar poo issues post surgery, and also had the sudden urge sensation for a few weeks post op, but all is fine in that department now.

I've just got back from a two week holiday to Turkey. I did far too much carrying of 18 month old dd and had days when I thought the prolapse was back, but having taken it easy at home the last couple of days, things seem back to normal. When my surgeon discharged me, he told me that it would take about 6 months for the deep tissue to heal so I am still trying to lift/carry when I have no alternative.

Hope all of you recently post op are getting the rest you need.

ClaresAvonRecruitment · 02/06/2013 23:32

What a day, mostly spent rocking back and forth in pain... Decided to start the day with half a pint of prune juice, bran flakes, cup of tea, dessert spoon of syrup if figs, followed by a Dulcoease capsule.... Omg, think it was too much... Was sooo desperate to poop again... Anyway, stomach blew up like I was pregnant... Anyone else gad probs with dulcoease? My follow up appt is tomorrow locally, but feel I need to see surgeon in London to make sure I've not popped any stitches out... Still feel very faint when I poop :( how long will this last?? I've taken my last codydramols yesterday so I'm hoping it will ease up a bit.. Sorry this was all a bit TMI...

mrsclairet · 03/06/2013 08:48

Hi, sorry I can't really offer much advice but just wanted to say I have taken dulcoease and it seemed to be ok but I the most I have taken is one a day. I had two days where it felt like I was going to faint but it has been ok since then. I wish they would tell you more about constipation before the op so you don't worry yourself mad that you've done loads of damage. I was so constipated when I got home that I have survived just on ibuprofen and paracetamol, I think coming off the codydramol will definitely help.

edwinbear thanks for the reassurance!

ClaresAvonRecruitment · 03/06/2013 10:45

Thanks mrsclairet you're right, I'm gonna suggest to harley medical that this is their top priority when advising their patients.. They need to explain the pain killers will make you constipated as I thought because I was okay before the op, I'd be okay afterwards too... Hmm.. Live and learn... Anyway, good news it that stomach swelling has subsided, just taking prune Joyce and syrup of figs, no dulcoease... Plan to have a plate of veg at lunchtime with gravy, as husband making 'meals' ends up being a visit to the chip shop... Very heavy chips I very reluctantly ate... Think he's very glad to be back at work today!!

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Dahlialover · 03/06/2013 15:17

I haven't had any problems with dulco ease, but the dulcolax gave me very bad cramps in the night, followed by a dash to the loo, much emptying and nearly fainting. They have gone in the bin.

I have found movicol to the best so far - it just draws fluid into the colon, so that it does not get hard and makes it easier to go. After the initial 3x a day, I take it about once every 3-4 days to keep things moving. It definitely helps things move and does not give me wind or cramps or anything.

glycerine suppositiories are invaluable when it is stuck, dry or hard or you just can't seem to go. They break it up, so there is no damage to repairs.

For every day maintainence, I have been told that 2 kiwi fruit a day should sort it out!

foodhospital.channel4.com/fibre-challenge/stool-chart/

Here is the link to the Bristol stool chart - you should be aiming for a 4, and there is more explaination if you follow the link. I was always a 2, which seems to be the worst and having been trying hard to maintain some sort of 4, with mixed results.

Pelvic floor relaxation is also useful www.pelvicexercises.com.au/bowel-movement/

as well as the usual pelvic floor exercises. Something to put your feet on so that your knees go up and your back is straight helps in the long term (I must admit I found this a hinderence at first) as it straightens out the bend in your rectum.

Hope there is something here for everyone! I am 5 months post rectocele. It was not a magic cure for my bowel problems, but if I can keep things moving, it all works properly (and tampons do not gradually drift downwards any more :) )

Dahlialover · 03/06/2013 15:19

foodhospital.channel4.com/fibre-challenge/stool-chart/
www.pelvicexercises.com.au/bowel-movement/

Sorry - here's the links again Blush

rainbow2911 · 03/06/2013 16:26

I had my appointment with my Gp today and I think it went well. She sees a cystocele and isn't sure about a rectocele but based on my symptoms thinks I may have a mild one. She has referred me to a physio as a first step but is very open to referring me for surgery if I get no improvement. Anyone had any good experiences with physio? Can it help or is it just a hoop to jump through (slightly got that impression but figure it's worth a try!)?

Was so flustered by the whole thing that actually forgot to ask a couple of things when I was there! When will I learn to write this stuff down before I go!

Dahlialover · 03/06/2013 17:22

I think it is normally a hoop, as I have seen it on a chart somewhere.

However, if you see a good one, it can be very useful, and if you do end up having surgery it should be a help.

With a rectocele they usually get you to try stool softeners too.

LoveBeingUpAt4InTheMorning · 03/06/2013 18:03

Rainbow - I had my first appt with the physio nurse today. She was lovely and really felt comfortable with her. She covered all the basics and set the exercises shed like me to do till my next appt. was very honest that this isn't going to completely fix it but that it gives strength and should give enough improvement to make me feel better.

My symptoms are not enough to warrant an op ATM (IMO the consultant would have done the op). Just feel at my age the risks of the op itself and of it not working are not worth it ATM. I'm hoping this will prevent the need or at lest postpone it for a good while.

She also gave me a DVD so will try those too.

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 03/06/2013 19:10

I had physio for my mild cystocele after having a rectocele repair and in the two month interval between my two appointments she said my cystocele had to all intents and purposes gone, so I'm happy with that. For the rectocele I went straight for surgery though, it had gone too far for physio to be any help. I didn't have any constipation issues either before or after with the rectocele though.

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mrsclairet · 03/06/2013 19:55

I'm feeling a bit down again tonight, I have been taking antibiotics for 10 days now for a urine infection and still don't feel it's gone. I know I haven't finished the 2nd lot yet but I thought usually you start feeling better after a day or so if the antibiotics are working and although the stinking has died down a little it still hurts a bit when I go and will sometimes go, then feel immediately I need it again.

I feel like the pain of sitting down and standing up is really starting to decrease now which is brilliant and actually think I might attempt a short shopping trip tomorrow but I just wish this urine infection would go Sad

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mrsclairet · 04/06/2013 18:22

hahaha oh dear! I have been sneezing a lot today and yesterday, I think it must be my hayfever. Everything is feeling a bit more secure but yesterday I ended up being on my feet for quite a while and by the evening I had that horrible dragging feeling I used to get. I really hope everything has worked as it should.

My bladder seems to have been slightly better today, it's not stinging when I wee, it just feels a bit irritable but maybe that will just settle down in time. I really want to be able to start drinking coke and tea again!

I'm not sure about the salt baths as I have heard conflicting advice about that. I managed to get out to the garden centre today, it was only a short trip but it felt good to get out of the house.

ClaresAvonRecruitment · 05/06/2013 09:58

Morning everyone:) I love this forum it's so so helpful.... I don't feel like I an offer any advice, just receive it, but it's so invaluable... Thanks everyone
Thanks for the info delialover, really useful links..
Mrsclairet, I totally understand the aching legs, I've had that the past few days... I've booked off two weeks in my diary before I go back to work... It's a 9 days since op and I still don't feel up to doing anything like walking up to the local shops..
On a plus, when I went to harley for follow up appt Monday, they booked an appt in aug to go up to London and see the surgeon to make sure all is okay... The nurse had a probe and I don't know if she dislodged something but there is a hard stitch on the edge of the repair at the back that I'm sure wasn't there when I last managed to have a look.. If I'm pushing to poop it seems to push it outwards so that's now a but sore.. Especially when i go to sit down... i almost need to stand or lay down! Still have to hold everything when I go to the toilet to support it, hope I don't have to do that for long..
When I'm all recovered, and fingers crossed, everything's improved down there, feel like I'll be an embassador for having this done and tell women everywhere not to put up with it for years like I did....
Sadly, I've a four year bank loan now to pay off having it done :(

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rainbow2911 · 05/06/2013 13:46

Just had a thought - I used a spray with witch hazel and cucumber after my ds1 was born and it was heaven on my stitches and bruising. Was made by earthmamaangelbaby. Might be a nice thing to use post op?

Thanks for the comments on physio. Sounds like I might be lucky and have it do some good!
Thinking about my gp appointment - couldn't be happier with her attitude. She very much emphasized that how I feel is far more important in how it gets treated and when than anything else. Fingers crossed I can find more doctors like that if it comes to it!

Hope everyone gets more comfortable soon.

IDoAllMyOwnStunts · 05/06/2013 20:00

Hi there All, I posted a few months ago for advice re stress incontinence that I've had for the past 12 years but been too embarrassed to do anything about. You lot were very kind and offered advice so thought I'd update you. I plucked up courage and went to the docs (cried at the relief of telling someone). Have since been to consultant and gynae unit at hospital, and after tests been referred for TVT at the end of August.

Searching google I can find a lot of horror stories about this op - anyone had it with positive results? The consultant explained all the possible downsides but I am at the position where I need to do something - he said any more pelvic floor exercises were unlikely to do any good, but to keep up with them anyway as it can help the longevity of the TVT.

I know reading this thread my problem is really lightweight (no prolapse or anything going on) but I'd be grateful for any advice. So nice to be able to talk to people who've been through it, theres only DH who knows at the moment, am too embarrassed to talk to my real life friends about it. I'm not a prude at all, but this is just so excrucating!
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Bladderama · 05/06/2013 20:29

Well done for going to your GP Idomyownstunts, it takes a few of us years to pluck up the courage to talk about these things and it is very difficult. I just keep telling myself that the cons have these conversations all week and have probably had the same conversation once that day already.
I do not have nay experience of TVTs but have had bladder troubles for years which have finally improved a lot over the last few months since the surgery. I know how hard it is but it is so worth it when the troubles go away and you can live without tena lady again!
Sorry that I cannot offer advice on the TVT but I am sure that another lady will be along soon who can because a few on the thread have had them.

ClairesAvon I am genuinely shocked that you have had to resort to paying for this treatment that is awful, hope that you recover quickly and feel better soon.

Rainbows good luck with physio

Kotinka things all feel quite different post surgery with odd lumps and bumps but usually they are fine and we just have a new erm ...shape.

MrsClaret I would recommend salt baths, quick ones when you still have stitches in and longer soaks when your stitches are out. Hope that your bladder feels better too.

Whonkows what is your secret to remembering to do your pelvic floors? I am hopeless Blush and have resorted to doing them on my commute to and from work. I am glad that I don't car share

mistyviolet · 07/06/2013 13:34

Hi IDoAllMyOwnStunts

I also suffered from stress incontinence and I had a TVT inserted in August of last year (along with an anterior and posterior repair). Luckily I didn't google the op until after I'd had it or I suspect I wouldn't have after reading the horror stories! Anyway, my op has been life changing! Since I've had it I have run, jumped, coughed, sneezed and even vomited and not a bit of wee has escaped. Prior to the op doing any of those things would have caused various degrees of leakage.

I'm not sure what the recovery would have been like with the TVT alone so can't help you on that but I can say that it has definitely worked for me. I did suffer from recurring urine infections for about 2 months after the op but can't say if that was because of the catheter (which I would have had whether I had the TVT or not) or the TVT. Other than that I haven't had any problems at all.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. I found this site just after my op and it really has been a life saver.

Sending best wishes to you all - lurkers, pre-op and post-op Flowers x