Vaccinations and nursery schools

[Louise1010]

This is my first post so forgive me if I do anything wrong!

I am just beginning to look at nursery schools for my 15 month old son, and I am a bit surprised that they don't seem to care whether or not he has been vaccinated. I expected it to be a requirement.

It seems incredible to me that I have to provide evidence of my cat's jabs to the cattery but when it comes to children anything goes.

Has anyone come across a nursery school in the UK that does require it?

'I haven't said it has anything to do with vaccines.' - good. In that case, as this is a thread about vaccines, you can drop it.

Well it was fairly obvious That I hadn't said that Jo. Are you another one that struggles with reading what people have actually written.

Also, I'm actually laughing at the idea that you think you can tell people what they can and can't talk about or what they should 'drop' on a thread. Don't be silly.

You hadn't said what? That you have no opinion on the toxicity of Al in vaccines?

I said: 'Do you think there is evidence that the dose of Al in vaccines is toxic?'

You said: 'I don't know'

Do you mean to say that you do have an opinion, but it's not based on any evidence?

Come on bumbley. You've accused me twice. Let's see the evidence of what you're basing your allegations on.

Oh dear. Clearly you are another one. I hadn't said it had anything to do with vaccines.

Shall I walk you through it really slowly?

You asked me what I was saying it had to do with vaccines.

I said I hadn't mentioned vaccines.

You said good.

I said that it was fairly obvious that I hadn't said that.

You completely lost track of a 4 line conversation and asked 'you haven't said what?' and jump back to a conversation yesterday.

I think my 3 yo is better at following a conversation than that!

PJ, I've already said that the alzeimer's comments were in the other thread and your autism ones are on this one and that I don't want to trawl through all your turnip nonsense again. If you say that you weren't accusing her then I believe you. There, there.

bm's backtracked. She originally accused you having said that tabitha claimed Al caused AD/ASD (delete as appropriate). Now she's backtracked, and says she thought that you thought tabitha had said Al caused AD/ASD.

Good, I'm glad we agree that seeker's link says nothing to indicate that Al in vaccines is toxic.

bm given that you say you have no opinion either way on the toxicity of Al in vaccines, do you therefore recommend the precautionary approach of being vaccinated?

Oh yes, major backtracking :)

This has gotten silly. Have a nice day ladies!

I'm so glad we've agreed that no one has said anything about Al causing Alzheimer's and autism. It's so nice when everyone agrees!

Yes, I can understand bumbley being embarressed at having twice made accusations that she can't support.

It's a shame that her style is obfuscation, fluff and flannel. It's so much more constructive to deal with facts and evidence.

It's a great pity bumble isn't capable of backing up her accusations, or of admitting she was wrong.

It's mindgames Piglet, thankfully her usual conspirator has been banned and she hasn't got anyone to back her up.

Where's Bumbley gone, I hope it wasn't something that I said ; please come back.

Who was banned?

Accuracyrequired formally known as gooseberrybushes, blueberties and a few others

I'm still around, I just have a busy day and don't really fancy playing 'who said what, when and where'. I find it a bit pointless and boring tbh. Lots of better things to do on a rare sunny day! :)

I didn't realise I had a conspirator...

You've got time to come on here and make accusations (twice) but you don't like being called to substantiate your allegations.

Today? No I haven't. I've said 3 times now that I don't have time to trawl through all your turnip nonsense and I particularly don't want to do it when I m enjoying a rare bit of sunshine. If you say you didn't accuse her then that's great. We both agree that she did not say that Al causes Alzheimer's or autism. Super.

Do we both agree that she spouted a lot of aluminium nonsense?

No. We don't agree on that. What nonsense did she spout?

Aluminium nonsense. What bit was nonsense?

Going back a few posts,
PJ I'm glad that your position on al in vaccines is also openminded and that, if you see any evidence that it could be a problem, you'll give it consideration.

I've had a chance now to skim through the full paper that I linked to yesterday. You read it and see if it contains anything to make you concerned about al in vaccines. As to why I posted my links on vaccination threads, er, not quite sure how to answer that one. Perhaps because the links were about al in vaccinations?

Elaine said this: What I like to see is a group of experts on the various aspects of vaccine safety come together and decide what the weight of evidence is. Has this happened?

And, apologies, I can't remember who keeps asking about numbers of parents who have blamed MMR for their children's regression into autism. Is it "some" or "so many"?
This article gives some figures in America (it talks about 1000 parents). It is not, repeat, not about whether or not MMR causes a child to regress into autism, it is about the perception or parents:
www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-171779/MMR-true-facts.html

Tabitha I have given a link to this many many times on these boards

IOM vaccine safety review

Bruffin I'd really like to read the full text of this article that you published but just haven't been able to find it yet.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22001122
I found one of my links as a pdf, after much searching.

tabitha You first said 'so many' had parents reported ASD following MMR. When I asked how many, you said you in fact had no idea, though I see you've retrospectively dredged something up from the Daily Mail!!? Do you not understand why it is irresponsible to sound off first and hunt around on google second?

So what was the reference to aluminium about? Why was it mentioned in the first place?

Well, I think we've established that she says she didn't say that aluminium was a cause of autism or alzheimers.

So the posts mentioning aluminium and alzheimers together, and aluminium and autism together, were either nonsense, or were intended to cause a vague feeling of unease and suspicion with no foundation of evidence.

I see that bm refers to "turnip nonsense" although the amount of solid reliable evidence linking turnips to lung cancer is equal to that linking aluminium to autism and alzheimers.

Everyone was being nasty to Leonie because she said vaccinators are fine with killing babies.

Tabitha took pity on Leonie.

She briefly tried to defend the indefensible. Giving this up for a bad job, she switched tactic, and decided to instead draw the fire her way by posting links about Aluminium, without ever saying whether she believed them or not. It now transpires she wouldn't say why she had posted the papers, because at the time she hadn't read them.

Tabitha's quite happy to come out with any half-baked rumour which makes vaccines seem frightening. She's consistently refused to say what her motivation for this is. If you challenge her about said rumopur, she does a post hoc google search for the half-baked rumour and tosses the results back at you.