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Vaccinations and nursery schools

578 replies

Louise1010 · 13/07/2012 00:04

This is my first post so forgive me if I do anything wrong!

I am just beginning to look at nursery schools for my 15 month old son, and I am a bit surprised that they don't seem to care whether or not he has been vaccinated. I expected it to be a requirement.

It seems incredible to me that I have to provide evidence of my cat's jabs to the cattery but when it comes to children anything goes.

Has anyone come across a nursery school in the UK that does require it?

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bumbleymummy · 09/08/2012 20:28

What did you think about the comment in seeker's article that should be.

JoTheHot · 09/08/2012 20:29

re - how the dose is given

The LD50 for injected courgettes is indeed lower than the LD50 for ingested courgettes.

This does not change the fact that there is still no evidence that the dose of Al in vaccines is toxic.

PigletJohn · 09/08/2012 20:35

I fear you aren't reading clearly bm

Do you think that (I said) "I have however heard a suggestion that maybe aluminium might cause Autism."

means the same as (you said) "MMR causes autism"

bumbleymummy · 09/08/2012 20:37

Oh, so you've backtracked a bit then. Good :)

PigletJohn · 09/08/2012 20:43

No, Bumbley, I have not backtracked.

I am also bemused that when I asked you " I haven't seen any good evidence to suggest that either is true. Have you?"

you replied "I don't know"

How can you not know if you have seen good evidence?

JoTheHot · 09/08/2012 20:43

bm. Do you think there is evidence that the dose of Al in vaccines is toxic?

CRbear · 09/08/2012 21:02

Emigrate to Australia. No child can attend any form of school without an up to date immunization record.

bumbleymummy · 09/08/2012 21:09

Yes you have, you accused Tab of saying that Al causes autism and Alzheimer's and now you're not. It's ok, it's a good thing because that isn't what she said. I'm glad thats been cleared up.

Also, I said I haven't looked into it so I don't know how much evidence there is/isn't. You still haven't answered my question by the way - although you have backtracked a bit now so I guess I should take 'no one said that' as my answer.

Jo, I don't know. Has anyone actually looked into it properly? (not in the 'oh we ingest much more through our diets, so it must be safe to inject it into young children as well' way.)

Really CRbear? Surely there are exemptions just like in the US?

bumbleymummy · 09/08/2012 21:12

CRbear, I just looked it up and yes, you can attend school if you are unvaccinated as a 'conscientious objector'.

PJ, what did you think of the comment about Al and Alzheimer's in seeker's 'interesting and informative' link? (Another question you haven't answered)

CRbear · 09/08/2012 21:14

To be honest, I am hazy on the details as I live in the UK now, but when I was at school if you couldn't be immunised you had to be homeschooled (very common there with so many isolated communities). I believe now schools can take non immunised children for some diseases, but they do not have to, they have the right to refuse entry, and if they do take a child then they can exclude them if they feel it becomes necessary. It's an interesting debate anyway. It is uncommon not to immunise.

CRbear · 09/08/2012 21:17

Right you are bumbleymummy, I don't feel very old but things like this make me realise my schooldays are long behind me :D

saintlyjimjams · 09/08/2012 21:21

You can attend school in Aus w/out vaccination - but you have to either register an objection (or be certified as medically advised not to receive vaccinations). You might be excluded from school during outbreaks.

this explains it

Immunisation is supposedly compulsory to attend school in the States as well but I know quite a few people who have registered various objections (philosophical or religious - depends on the State) and who can attend school.

In France (another country often said to have compulsary vaccination for school) I know someone who gave her kids homeopathic 'vaccinations' instead and said they were quite happy with that. She said they just wanted a piece of paper to file.

PigletJohn · 09/08/2012 21:47

bm
you accused Tab of saying that Al causes autism and Alzheimer's

I glad you repeated your accusation.

Just to make things easier, please state the date and time of the accusation you have in mind. You can quote it if you like.

Thanks!

bumbleymummy · 09/08/2012 22:18

PJ, I really can't be bothered wading through all your turnip nonsense again. The Alzheimer's comments were on the other thread and the autism ones were on this one. If you're now saying that you don't think that she has said there is a link between Al and autism/alzheimers then that's just great.

Good night ladies.

bumbleymummy · 09/08/2012 22:20

Maybe PJ will have answered my other question about seeker's link in the morning...

PigletJohn · 09/08/2012 22:25

If you're too tired and want to back down, that's OK. Sleep well.

I wonder if you consider for example this to be an "accusation"

Are you making the point that in your opinion Aluminium in vaccines causes autism? Do you have any figures in mind? 1%? 5%? 10%?

ElaineBenes · 10/08/2012 02:20

Why in earth would someone link twice to an article trying to associate al and autism and quote extensively from it if they weren't trying to make a case tha al causs autism??

But I am glad that tabitha has accepted that al doesn't cause autism. So what IS the problem with al? What problems does al in vaccines cause? Because we've heard a lot about what tabitha now believes it doesn't cause, what do you and her believe it does cause?

And what are the other additives that are so problematic?

ElaineBenes · 10/08/2012 02:22

Glad that there are no philosophical or religious exemptions at my kids' school!

bumbleymummy · 10/08/2012 07:29

Still waiting PJ. Did you actually read seeker's 'interesting and informative link' ?

EB, did you vaccinate against swine flu a few years ago?

PigletJohn · 10/08/2012 07:38

Yes, still waiting for this "accusation" of which you speak.

bumbleymummy · 10/08/2012 07:59

Ok, so you weren't accusing her by saying that she had said Al causes Alzheimer's? Good. It was quite obvious that she wasn't saying that. I don't think posting a link about people looking into a link between Al and autism as part of a discussion about concerns about the long term effect of Al means that someone thinks that there must be a link betwen Al and autism either. I'm glad you agree.

There you go Tab. I think that's probably the closest you'll get to an apology from PJ.

JoTheHot · 10/08/2012 08:15

bm you are particularly pleased with yourself for having found that quote in seeker's link about Al and Alzheimer's. Just so we're all clear it, when read in context, it says Al doesn't cause Alzheimer's, but that chronic exposure might influence its progression. What possible bearing does this have on a debate about Al in vaccinations, where the dose is acute and tiny? Do you mention it in the hope of frightening people, or because you mistakenly think it's relevant?

JoTheHot · 10/08/2012 08:16

bm given that you say you have no opinion either way on the toxicity of Al in vaccines, do you therefore recommend the precautionary approach of being vaccinated?

PigletJohn · 10/08/2012 08:18

Don't be silly bumbley.

You have twice accused me of saying something. I have asked you to reference or quote what you accuse me of saying.

You haven't.

Is that because you can't, or because you won't?

Is it because you have made a vague and unsubstantiated smear?

bumbleymummy · 10/08/2012 08:35

Jo, I specifically said that PJ might find it interesting. I'm not 'pleased with myself' for finding it. I was surprised that PJ didn't say anything about it given her comments about Al and Alzheimer's on the other thread. I haven't said it has anything to do with vaccines.

PJ, you like that 'vague and unsubstantiated smear' phrase don't you? :)
If you say that you weren't making a accusation then I'll believe you. I'm very glad that you weren't. It would have been very unfair (not to mention a bit silly!)