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Any old prolapse! Uterus/womb prolapse, rectocele, cystocele, enterocele, urethrocele, incontinence, pelvic floor, anterior and posterior repair, TVT etc part 5

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Piplysmelie · 10/07/2012 09:23

This is thread 3 of a long-running series of posts from ladies suffering from pelvic prolapses to support each other through the process of diagnosis, repair and recovery.

Here are the previous threads:
Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3
Thread 5

Info from BBC Health

What is a pelvic prolapse?

As the muscles, ligaments and supporting tissues in the pelvis become weaker, they are less able to hold in the organs of the pelvis such as the womb (uterus) or bladder.

Gravity pulls these organs down and, in the more severe cases, may appear through the entrance to the vagina.

A variety of problems can occur, depending on where the weakness lies and which organs are able to descend, but in every case there is some degree of prolapse of the vaginal wall, which begins to invert (rather like a sock turning inside out).
Prolapse of the womb or uterus is the most common prolapse, affecting as many as one in eight older women to some degree
Prolapse of the bladder, known as a cystocele, is less common.
Prolapse of the urethra (the tube that carries urine out of the bladder) is known as a urethrocele.
Prolapse of the intestines is quite rare, and known as an enterocele or rectocele.

Symptoms

Symptoms depend on which tissues descend, and how severe the prolapse is.

They may include:
A sense of heaviness or pressure in the pelvis.
The appearance of a bulge of tissue in the genital area, which can be quite alarming, and is often red and sore.
Urinary problems, such as having to urinate more frequently, feeling the need urgently, being incontinent (losing control of the bladder) or, conversely, being unable to pass urine when you need to.
Pain in the pelvis or lower back.
Sexual problems, including pain and decreased libido.
Constipation.
Vaginal discharge or bleeding.

Treatment and recovery

Once a prolapse has developed, surgery to fix the affected organs is usually the only way to cure it effectively.

However, another option is to use a device known as a vaginal ring pessary. This is rather like a contraceptive diaphragm or cervical cap. It's made of silicone or latex, and placed in the vagina to push back the prolapsed organs and hold them in place. Many women happily manage their prolapse this way.

OP posts:
wouldratherbeskiing · 26/07/2012 17:20

1 month sounds quick to me but I suppose it depends on your job and your personal circumstances. I had a posterior repair and could never have returned to my job after such a short time. It is really important to take things easy and allow yourself to heal.

PostBellumBugsy · 26/07/2012 19:41

Sedentary desk based job & two older DCs (12 & 10) who I hope will be of some assistance! They've been practising with the vacuum, iron & putting the rubbish out!
I guess, I'll just have to see how it goes.

Bladderama · 26/07/2012 21:20

Hope that you are recovering well livelong, the repacking sounds ghastly.

Zumba and shattered hope that you are both okay too and taking it easy.

PBB 4 weeks doesn't sound like very long at all but I don't have any experience of this yet.

Thank you for the advice Roseanna Smile

I went to the GP this morning and now have my referral to the Urogyny consultant. I am so relieved and just waiting for my appointment now. I did take my DH who looked quite shocked at all of the symptoms I have clearly hidden this well.

You ladies are all such a support and it has really helped reading through the threads and all of your advice.

Piplysmelie · 26/07/2012 21:26

Shattered I felt exactly the same as you at 3 weeks, honestly thought I was hiding a patchwork quilt up there but they do go. I think by about 6 weeks most of the surface ones had gone.

I am nearly 8 weeks post op posterior and anterior repair and feel great, I think the turning point for me was seeing the consultant at 6 week check up. It all feels so much better now. really is a big difference from 6 weeks to now. Just had another period and no flare up (did try tampax big mistake ouch!).

My kids are on holiday now so we have spent all week at the beach, I am desperately trying to not carry anything, which is a nice excuse for a new picnic basket on wheels! Going in the sea was a big mistake though, the salty sea water stung like mad.

OP posts:
Piplysmelie · 26/07/2012 21:28

Oh lifelong hope the convalescing is going well remember stay in bed and rest.

Zumba hope you are doing ok.

PBB I agree with the other I think 4 weeks may be to short a time to recover.

Best wishes to all

Pip

OP posts:
Piplysmelie · 26/07/2012 21:29

Great news bladder, hope you get an appointment soon.

OP posts:
wouldratherbeskiing · 26/07/2012 21:30

Post - it sounds like you have things sorted - like the idea of advance training sessions. My job is full on physically so quite different. Do take care.

Bladderama - pleased you've got your referral. I've been referred this week - will be interesting to see how long our appointments take.

Bladderama · 26/07/2012 21:33

I will post as soon as I know wouldratherbeskiing, I was wondering who else was waiting for appointments and op's at the moment.

Bladderama · 26/07/2012 21:34

Thank you Pip Smile

fengirl1 · 26/07/2012 22:37

It's lovely to see the thread so busy and full of positivity! Must be the sunshine. Smile

fengirl1 · 26/07/2012 22:43

Oops - posted too soon. It's quite uplifted me as I've had my 'when are you available' letter and have taken the plunge and sent it back saying from now and with 48hrs notice (have to say I'm not worrying about work as I told them miles in advance last time and it all went pear-shaped anyway). Have just kept the past week in August free so I stand the chance of sneaking off for a few days on my own... ( I went to Italy last summer - lake garda - and it was absolutely lovely to be in the sun and only have me to worry about for once. I hope that doesnt make me sound selfish.)

fengirl1 · 26/07/2012 22:46

Sorry! Ah, that was it - forgot so I had to post so I could go back and look....... Blush
Bladder - that's the thing isn't it? We all hide our symptoms and carry on as 'normal' when it's not. Lucky you for having someone to support you even if he wasn't aware of all that you put up with. I so wish people were more aware of and able to discuss prolapse..... Smile

Bladderama · 27/07/2012 06:12

I agree fengirl and what I find really difficult is that when we finally pluck up the courage to seek help we have several layers of indignity and stress not to mention all of the waiting before we get the help that we need. Thank goodness for MN and this thread! Smile

ZumbaZara · 27/07/2012 11:27

I think for me 4 weeks would have been too soon for me to go back to work with a perinium repair. Even with a cushion it was difficult to sit in one position for long. I couldn't stretch or stride with any easy. I also was advised not to drive.

I am running about like a mad thing this morning. The cat seems to have brought in a bird, I can find bits of bird but no bird. DS has broken a window playing football and the glazier has just been. The water from the kitchen sink is coming out the wall not the outlet. DS is going on holiday with a friend and is parents today and we are packing. We keep finding things that don't fit or are dirty so it is all go.
But I am and coping well physically if a bit stretched. So it goes to show how far I have come. There is hope for us all.

Livelongandprosper · 27/07/2012 11:39

Good morning. Uuuurrrhgggh.

Bladder -I am with you on this. If only prolapse were something that could be discussed.

I am in so much pain post-op because I cannot poo like normal people and it's causing such discomfort I can't find a position to rest in, but this is not something I can discuss as no one but fellow sufferers can bear to hear.

I have tried telling a couple of people why I am in so much pain post-op but they gave me their remedies such as bran flakes or drinking coffee. It isn't a dietary problem, it's a physical one but it's one that I have kept to myself for some years because it is unacceptable to mention.

There is so little understanding of what prolapse does to you because it is such a taboo subject. Even the booking-in nurse said to me 'make sure you're not constipated when you come in for surgery.' I said it's one of the main reasons I am having surgery and I cannot do much about it and she then told me to take Senna. If only that worked I wouldn't be contemplating the surgery! I have a help-line to ring with any problems but I know I will just be advised to keep taking the lactulose, eating a high fibre diet, drink lots of water etc. so there is no point in ringing. I even feel terrible sharing this with you lot so here is a TMI alert - I've had to resort to digital extraction because my rectum has temporarily ceased working. Frustrated rant over. Thank you for being there, it really does help.

Anyone who has had a rectocele repaired - did you have problems afterwards with bowel movements? I believe it will gradually improve as everything heals and the swelling goes down.

Sorry for being a moany old boot today.

PostBellumBugsy · 27/07/2012 12:09

Livelong - no advice to offer, but just wanted to offer my sympathy.

I'm going to ask more questions - because there is no one else to ask & you are all so knowledgeable.

I'm a single mum & whilst the DCs are sweet & helpful, I'm a bit concerned about how much I do & who will do it, while I'm recovering. The DCs will be with my parents for a week post op, but I'm wondering if I should I try and get some extra help when they get back. I'm just thinking about all I usually do: laundry, ironing, bed stripping, cleaning, heaving of rabbit & guinea pig cages etc etc. I'm presuming all of those will be off limits? PBB can feel waves of panic coming on & remembers why she has been putting this off for 7 years

fengirl1 · 27/07/2012 13:27

Livelong - poor you Sad. You're not alone in having that problem. If all else fails, you could get the nurse to come and give you an enema. It will improve. Don't let anyone fob you off. This is a real problem which needs someone to take it seriously.
Post - I had someone to Hoover, dust and do some ironing from week 2 to 6.

fengirl1 · 27/07/2012 13:33

.... Some of the things I found helpful were: leave the bins out on the verge, order shopping online (ask for it with bags), put a note on to say you have had an op, can't lift and that they need to bring it into the kitchen and put it on the work surface for you. Use resulting carrier bags as the bin. Batch cook before (I did mince which could be converted to shepherds pie, spaghetti bol or chilli and chicken casserole. You will need someone to change your bed to begin with too. Smile

ZumbaZara · 27/07/2012 13:46

Yes Livelong I had exactly the same problems post op. This was partly because I had become dehydrated as I kept vomiting. Fortunately I have a great GP. In hospital they used a glyserin suppository and you can get that fron the GP or even from the pharmacy. That will get things started.

The GP then put me on Movicol in the end I used 6 sachets in a day before it started working. I was miserable until then so I can sympathise. There are lots of different options apart from the ones you were given. They are kind of the first steps and then there are lots of other ones.

Don't be embarassed be proactive.

fengirl1 · 27/07/2012 14:35

Oh Post, forgot to say you're right about laundry. I could cope with smaller loads after two weeks but wet towels involved getting someone else to do it or several trips to the washing line!

PostBellumBugsy · 27/07/2012 15:15

Thank you all so much. It really helps to get an idea of what is possible. I like my consultant, but he is a bloke & I can't be asking him at what point he thinks I can hang laundry out!

wouldratherbeskiing · 27/07/2012 16:54

Livelong - I can also empathise. Glycerine suppositories are helpful but if really compacted I think Fen's enema suggestion is a good one. Zumba has mentioned movicol and a lot of people seem to find this very effective. At the very least suppositories help with lubrication and that in itself can be helpful when you are stitched or I have used a bit of vaseline just to help that last bit. Good luck - hope it gets moving soon.

Post - good for you to plan ahead. Do arrange to have somebody change your sheets as a fresh bed does wonders when you are recovering.

Livelongandprosper · 27/07/2012 19:27

Thank you for your replies to my last rather desperate post.

I am feeling much better now.

Things had become impacted so even the glycerine suppositories didn't work. The Movicol was causing leakage but not shifting anything.

I was in such pain I wasn't thinking straight and simply couldn't think of anything else to ask for. I think I had temporarily given up this morning! Outrageous - I should be eagerly anticipating the unveiling of my new vagine not giving up at the first impacted poop.

If I get in that state again I shall take up Fen's suggestion and ask for an enema.

I shall be proactive!

fengirl1 · 27/07/2012 19:41

Livelong - I wasnt brave enough to post (or maybe too Blush) but I was in exactly the same situation as you but without having had a rectocele repair so I can't imagine how awful it must have been for you (I felt as if I was giving birth and to say it was almost the size of a baby's head is no lie (!) BlushGrin). I was in agony with my mum at the foot of the stairs shouting 'are you alright?' and me moaning faintly (all sweaty-browed) 'I'm ok, just leave me'!!!! Hopefully it is all behind (!) you now. All I know is I'm not leaving the hospital next time if I'm at all worried. No-one even asked me if I'd 'been' until I was being discharged Hmm. By then it was all too late.... Keep taking lactulose or whatever you're using, drink plenty and eat regularly with plenty of fibre. Good luck and glad you're feeling better. Smile

fengirl1 · 27/07/2012 19:49

P.S. Livelong - maybe the drink should include Wine tonight after your ordeal? Grin