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Any old prolapse! Uterus/womb prolapse, rectocele, cystocele, enterocele, urethrocele, incontinence, pelvic floor, anterior and posterior repair, TVT etc part 4

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Ben10NeverAgain · 06/04/2012 19:43

This is thread 3 of a long-running series of posts from ladies suffering from pelvic prolapses to support each other through the process of diagnosis, repair and recovery.

Here are the previous threads:
Thread 1
Thread 2

Info from BBC Health

What is a pelvic prolapse?

As the muscles, ligaments and supporting tissues in the pelvis become weaker, they are less able to hold in the organs of the pelvis such as the womb (uterus) or bladder.

Gravity pulls these organs down and, in the more severe cases, may appear through the entrance to the vagina.

A variety of problems can occur, depending on where the weakness lies and which organs are able to descend, but in every case there is some degree of prolapse of the vaginal wall, which begins to invert (rather like a sock turning inside out).
Prolapse of the womb or uterus is the most common prolapse, affecting as many as one in eight older women to some degree
Prolapse of the bladder, known as a cystocele, is less common.
Prolapse of the urethra (the tube that carries urine out of the bladder) is known as a urethrocele.
Prolapse of the intestines is quite rare, and known as an enterocele or rectocele.

Symptoms

Symptoms depend on which tissues descend, and how severe the prolapse is.

They may include:
A sense of heaviness or pressure in the pelvis.
The appearance of a bulge of tissue in the genital area, which can be quite alarming, and is often red and sore.
Urinary problems, such as having to urinate more frequently, feeling the need urgently, being incontinent (losing control of the bladder) or, conversely, being unable to pass urine when you need to.
Pain in the pelvis or lower back.
Sexual problems, including pain and decreased libido.
Constipation.
Vaginal discharge or bleeding.

Treatment and recovery

Once a prolapse has developed, surgery to fix the affected organs is usually the only way to cure it effectively.

However, another option is to use a device known as a vaginal ring pessary. This is rather like a contraceptive diaphragm or cervical cap. It's made of silicone or latex, and placed in the vagina to push back the prolapsed organs and hold them in place. Many women happily manage their prolapse this way.

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tazzle22 · 11/05/2012 11:14

aw thats brill .... that things are moving and treatment on board..... as the sone says ..... "the only way is up "Wink

errm well maybe one thing needs to come down Grin

Ben10NeverAgain · 11/05/2012 11:18

Hi Fen - I'm really happy to hear that you have been "moving". Keep taking the Movicol though as it just stops the worry for now that you might become constipated. Have you got meds for your urine infection?

I am going to take one sachet at night forever I think....

Hi Tazzle :) How are you? RDA form signed at £31.50 by GP. That is one very expensive signature!!

I'm pleased to announce to the world that the new improved (((0))) is in full functioning working order ;)

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tazzle22 · 11/05/2012 15:02

I am in fine fettle ben10 ,thank you very much for asking. Signed off form work for another 4 weeks as still get a bit of dragging discomfort if I try to do a "normal for me" level of work. Given the mini busdriving / manual handling / wheelchairs / fast moving etc that can be involved maybe its for the best.

Was grinning at gps when reported how wonderful it was to poo straight and not leak anymore ..... amazing what we take for granted before fallen fanjos strike ! Though even as I said it I kinda felt awful / guilty cos I know a lot of people that cant get rid of incontinence issues Sad

Got 2 of my DGC coming to stay over the weekend.... they are cousins that dont get to see each other very often so we are getting all excited Grin

It is a darn expensive signature even allowing the cost of the secretary who typed its wages and the paper / envelope .... . I would love to hear about how DS gets on with RDA... I will have to try find the thead again as I have lost all my links when had to reregister. ggrrrr

oooooooohhhhhhhhh glad to hear your (((0))) has been successfully restored to full working order in every function Wink . Mine has not yet had full range of testing .......though have to say that the equipment required for the remaing test to take place is not quite functioning as it should either atm. Confused

I have to say that since my usual piccy for hugs that I use on other tinternet places has been hijacked ..... I just cannot send my friends hugs any more without chortling Grin

HuggyPomBear · 11/05/2012 15:44

Yay Ben! I am very pleased for you! Well done. Grin. Just had a telephone appt with my GP. He was concerned I am still bleeding so advised me to contact the cnsultants's secretary as the consultant was meant to call me at the 2 week point and didn't. Am awaiting a call back. My doctors is linked to my work. They can only sign me off for 4 weeks max, and that runs out on tues, so he's signed me off work for another 3 weeks Smile. He's such a lovely doctor, I don't know why I saw the other one straight after my op. she did not have a clue about prolapsed and had a faintly disgusted expression on her face when I told her why i'd had the op. when I go for my 6 week check up I shall see him and not her. Although maybe I should see her so she can see what a nicely repaired fango looks like!

Tazzle, have a lovely time with your DGCs.

Fen, here's praying on the movicol! At least there is comfort knowing general surgery does cause constipatin and it's not an indicator that the op hasn't worked.

HuggyPomBear · 11/05/2012 15:45

fanjo.....

fengirl1 · 11/05/2012 15:57

Huggy - is that a fanjo that dances??? Grin

tazzle22 · 11/05/2012 16:24

Grin Grin [grin ]

Footle · 11/05/2012 18:37

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Ben10NeverAgain · 11/05/2012 19:04

i messaged the last person giving this thread footle

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Ben10NeverAgain · 11/05/2012 19:12

well i'm signed off work (yet again) for my other condition. 2 more months. i was last at work 17th nov 2010. this is getting a little too much now....

very pleased for all the straight poos and docs who are happy to sign off :)

a fango souns very interesting!!

Have fun with your GC Tazzle. will report back about the riding.

Fengirl hope the BM keep being gentle to you

Happy Hope the consultant got back to you

((((0)))) hugs all Grin

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shattered00 · 11/05/2012 20:04

Hi All, I am posting for first time to see if anyone can offer me any advice on recovery from prolapse surgery. I am due to have surgery for grade 2 cystocele (bladder prolapse) and minor (grade 1?) rectocele when my second baby is 6 months old. I have a 2 year old as well and not planning any further babies. My surgery will just involve stitching, no mesh and I should be in and out as a day case, although I will have to have a general anaesthetic. Has anyone on here had experience of coping with recovery from this surgery when still breastfeeding and caring for not only a baby but also a toddler? My surgeon has told me that it will be fine to continue to lift my baby (who will be about 6.5kg by then) but that I must avoid holding her standing up and any unnecessary lifting of my toddler during the recovery period of 8-10 weeks. My husband is taking 2 weeks off and then I have grandparents help for another 4 weeks. I am really worried as I don't want to put myself through this surgery and then find it has all been 'undone' because I cannot put my feet up for 2 months!! Please help put my mind at rest someone...

Ben10NeverAgain · 11/05/2012 20:17

Hi Shattered Welcome :)

I had my surgery for grade 2/3 rectocele and grade 1 cystocele 7 weeks ago.

I would say that if you have help for the 6 weeks then you will be OK. At this point I am fine with most things. I am not allowed to do heavy lifting still (ie furniture) but everything else is not a problem. I think that it would be best to try to teach your toddler to climb up to you, maybe a little step stool to help them up.

What I would say is that to have this surgery under GA and as a day case could be a little difficult esp with the two children at home. It might be easier for you if you can have at least 1 night in hospital as you will be very sore and tired.

Keep posting with your queries. As you can see from above posts, nothing is TMI on this thread and we're all at different stages of recovery.

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ARTAF · 11/05/2012 22:07

Hi All.
Have posted before under a different name.
Just back to say I am finally on the waiting list for a laproscopic repair two years after seeking treatment for a rectocele. (8 years after developing it, thanks DD1)
Had to jump through a lot of hoops, bowel management, physio etc.
Was refused a repair by male gynae consultant, I was too young(40) and it would not last.
Saw female colorectal consultant this time and I have a large rectocele (surprise surprise) and she will fix it .
She did suggest it was not life threateming and I could live with it!
Have to wait a year and lose weight.
Can hardly wait to just poo without splinting and have intercourse without checking for bulge first.
Oh and tampons wont fall out any more.
Just have to stop eating and exercise.
So do persist and ask for another referal if the first is not helpful.

tazzle22 · 11/05/2012 22:26

welcome shattered10 *waves

I had the same as ben10 (with added bladder buttress) 6 weeks ago and am feeling almost back to normal . I say almost as I usually do some pretty physical stuff daily like hauling heavy hay nets around and pushing wheelbarrows full of horse poo Wink. I am not quite at that yet but I would say that normal housework and looking after baby would be fine by 6 weeks when you bidding GP fond farewell..

Lifting two year old might not be wise for several weeks after if you can possibly avoid it and as ben10 advises its a great time to teach 2 year old independence games Wink.

I think the thing is to avoid standing / walking around for long spells at a time ... that certainly for me led to some uncomfortable days when I did too much when it was not actually sore at the time. You wont feel like sitting down for long periods either and I went for quite a few walks even early on.

I am a bit surprised it is being done as a day case as almost without exception we have all had catheters and packs in for 24 hours minimum. Also not "released" till we had at pee'd at least three times ( checking we not in retention) and for some of us till we had poo'd also.

Sorry I cant advise about the children from the BF point of view .. even my GC are wekl past BF now Grin

ARTAF · 11/05/2012 22:30

Thank you everyone for the information/ experiences.
I have a question.
When you have a motion post op do you just go.
Like you would prechildren?
I am so used to splinting it will be odd not to?

tazzle22 · 11/05/2012 22:52

well certainly there are a few of us presently celebrating "unassisited poos" Grin Grin Grin ..... sometimes some needing a bit laxatives to keep soft and avoid straining.. but hey ho, the alternative is worse !!!!

Ben10NeverAgain · 12/05/2012 06:44

No splinting going on at all Artaf :) Straight poos all the way here (with the help of a little Laxido but my other meds cause me to constipate)

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happy2beme · 12/05/2012 11:06

Artaf- temptation to splint so great post-op just cause you dont know what to do with your hands lol....reading the paper just like OH is a novelty lol... I have 2 free hands to hold it with.. all joking aside with the help of movicol I am a hands free pooer xx

Ben10NeverAgain · 12/05/2012 12:12

Tazzle Horse riding update here so not to bother all of the fallen fanjos with horsey updates :)

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Ben10NeverAgain · 13/05/2012 11:49

Anohter TMI post here.

I have the contraceptive patch so I know that next Saturday/Sunday I'll have my first period since not having to wear pads after surgery (I had one a few weeks after surgery).

I used to have super tampons I think. Now that the ahem "diameter" is smaller, will they still fit?

Stupid question I know but I'm not looking forward to it. Actually there are still some stitches remaining. Maybe I shouldn't even use tampons?!

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Littlefish · 13/05/2012 11:52

Ben - until your stitches are gone, I think I would use sanitary towels.

Ben10NeverAgain · 13/05/2012 11:54

Thanks. I thought that would be the answer. I just seem to get nappy rash (in between my bum cheeks!) somehow from them. Maybe I need a different brand. I have Kotex. I never thought that I'd be discussing this stuff on the internet!

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shattered00 · 13/05/2012 14:20

Hi thanks to Ben10 and Tazzle22 for your helpful replies and good luck with your continued recovery. I feel very daunted by the surgery and how I am going to feel afterwards but keep reminding myself that how I feel now is pretty miserable...so as long as the surgery does not make me feel worse in the long term in can only get better. Toddler has already been trained to get in to car seat/bed/chair herself and is doing very well. Only problem areas are bath time and those odd occasions where she just desperately wants Mummy to pick her up. Oh, and a baby that likes Mummy to walk around holding her....!

Littlefish · 13/05/2012 16:05

Have you got a shower? Could you use that instead with your toddler?

tazzle22 · 13/05/2012 18:28

I wonder if one of those little step stools that you get for the bathroom for kids accessing the loo ... would one of those be any good to get into and out of the bath for toddler ???

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