Rectocele & Repairs continued....

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Rectocele & Repairs...continuation

Hiya Ladies...
Don't know if this will work, above is the Subject Title
Don't want to lose my friends.
Will come back with a link if poss !!!
Fingers crossed
ZZZ

Another question about bleeding - does anyone else suffer vaginal bleeding when constipated - well, after a tricky to pass bm? I have a mirena coil so don't usually have periods. I mentioned once to doc and they said - erm, that's normal, but I wasn't really convinced they actually knew.

See, how was that for brave words?

Hoops vaginal bleeding is a more recent symptom I've had... I don't have a coil or anything tho... when I strain on the loo I bleed... Add that to my piles and it kinda looks like a massacre in the loo!! Lol the bleeding has got mich worse over the last couple of days so... I find it odd that I can walk round all day with no bleed but sit on the loo and it's fairly heavy...?! Sorry hoops this is again more of a hijack as I don't have any idea If it's normal (tho my guess wud be it's not)

So I too wait in anticipation for the response from the more 'experienced' in thisfield!!! Lol (or atleast those braver than me who have actually seen a doc, other than dr google that is!! (I'm his best patient!!) Lol)

ifonly -welcome and as you say you've taken the first step in getting better. My thoughts for what is worth-if your best friend/sister/ mum told you what she was suffering would you tell her to put up with it? Answer is no i guess-you might even offer to go to the Drs with her. And when you go to your gp you actually don't have to be examined-she should refer you anyway. The exam is only to confirm what you are saying. You can change your mind at any point-this isn't life threatening only life spoiling-so you are in charge. Make sure the consultant you see specialises in this, a general obs/gyny is not good enough. And the state of your vagina has NOTHING to do with how good a Mother you are!
I think some of the medics are embarressed and can't use the correct words. I was asked if I ever had trouble 'spending a penny' What on earth are they talking about. And has anyone been asked about their 'waterworks' We're not children
Hoops. Most cones are not suitable for women with prolapse. Does it say anything in your instruction booklet? It isn't normal to bleed no matter what your gp says;possibly cones are rubbing on your insides-not good. Try Michelle Kenways excellent site on youtube. But it is difficult to keep the exercises up and I'm not sure why that is-boring?
I'm still good 11 weeks post op. No problem at all inc sex. Still get a bit tired though but I am 60 so not surprising
Glad I had it done, I was lucky, no pain after surgery and home after 24 hours- and I had a lot of work done. Anticipation much worse than the op
Love to all of us strong womenxxx

Good grief I must have no shame, I tell all my friends/workmates everything

Hope everything went ok at the Drs caz...

Hi Coco - I've told everyone at work everything as well and the funny thing is, I have been asked loads of pointed questions which just goes to show... !!!! I also sent my brother back to his wife with a copy of all the notes I had made as he had been complaining that his wife just isn't interested in sex since having the kids (now 3 and 7) and he'd had a vasectomy for nothing - turns out she feels a wreck and totally unsexy ... (we all know that feeling ) and at least they have started discussing things. She won't go to the gynae yet (waiting for her smear next year) but at least knows she is not alone anymore.

I'm on here tonight as I'm suddenly getting very unsure about Saturday - more vaginal incisions, stitches, anaesthetic and hospital over night on top of everything else and I will miss my middles sons's 15th Birthday . Does anyone think the consultant will just remove the undissolved stitches or will he have to cut me up somewhere else? He said that he would have a proper 'explore' to get to the root of the problem but only wanted to do it with me asleep as it might involve a lot of pulling and prodding. Do you think he might decide to do something to my cystolcele whilst I'm under as he didn't do anything to it in November? It only just occured to me....

xxxx Just need some female reasurance ...

hi all have my pre op tmrw eeek

AARRGH just lost a post lol.
Cocolepew- I am now with you tell all I am proud of my new DV :)
IfOnly - Like you I had not been a member of a forum or even contemplated talking about this previously how I had a vagina like the grand canyon ,complete with lumpy bumpy sides . I have suffered about 12yrs after the birth of my middle child. I am 45 now and a nurse, I dont mind looking at other peoples bits on a daily basis :) but was reluctant to share mine with anyone lol. I had even managed to conceal all from DH, the checking of rectum before sex just to make sure and splinting ect. I supose I was ashamed I had resorted to doing this to my body and felt all the feeling you feel now x I sadly lost my son 3yrs ago at 24yrs old and if nothing it made me realise that old cliche lifes too short. I made the decision that I owed it to my other children to be healthy and happy , they need/ desrved a mummy who was not always down or controlled by her bowel/bladder issues, or in pain almost everyday but most of all I desrved it. My biggest worry was attending the Hospital where I work but I bit the bullet and insisted on a general anaesthetic even though a spinal may have been better. Needn't have bothered on arriving at theatre saw at least 10 people who I knew personally and showed my bum/ grand canyon to at least half of them . What I am trying to say like the others is that with the help of this site and the sharing lol you can feel strong enough to decide that you deserve to be happy and healthy and your children will benefit from this too, dont waste the precious years/memories with your kids suffering make things better x And the sex bit is much better too!! TMI :)
Surewoman- hope all goes well, when you go in will you not have to sign consent again, or have you already done this maybe you could get them to explain more then x Although I am one to talk I have to get ablation due to failure of merina but was so glad all else was deemed OK never bothered to ask what this will entail but will get round to that when I have my check in april.
Oh with regards to vaginal bleeding I was told it may be due to scraping of the mucus membrane inside the vagina while splinting ? Dont know if this was the case but it made some sense xx Again so sorry to go on but I am making up for all those years of not discussing this by telling all to everyone now xx Hope all are well xx

Thanks happy, forgot about having to sign consent forms. Glad you're talking about it too and I'm so sorry for you about your son, how awful...x

Hoopsadazy- Hi sorry just read one of your posts properly, when I saw my consultant he said it was not best to wait?? as something to do with the tissue he has to work with. He was not keen on doing any repair to rectocele or cystocele with mesh and I have to say after doing some research and speaking to someone who has had to have mesh removed I agreed , he was keen to do my repair with my own tissue which is still viable??. Even at my post op I did mention if rectocele returned or got worse higher he said he would be keen to try manage this now ie not get constipated, no fear I am still bowel obssesed ( suppose this will be a hard habit to break lol) lose weight and pelvic floor, pelvic floor. Suggested I do them everytime I get to a set of traffic lights could you imagine the faces I would be pulling, still cant manage it without a look of pure consentration.
I told him about the negativity of my female GP, to which he replied B***ks and said I was to avoid said GP as she had a tendancy to eternal pesamism . He put it to me that I was too young to be suffering the way I was and that he could help, even this small amout of compassion made me feel relieved. He was adamant gyn surgical techniques had came so far in recent years that it was worthwhile to go ahead now. But I suppose different Medics have varying opinions. But personally I could not have went on much longer, my sanity was in serious jeopardy .

WOW!! That's a lot of posts in a day, and so much optimism. I love it!!
Good luck everybody!

Sorry i forgot:

Penis...
Now how did I forget that word I wonder?!

Footle, the word enterable was a Freudian slip, I was trying to write enterocele!
I think the above two mistakes give away the state of my marriage...Please don't leave your problems as long as I did...

Well I had a long and Frank discussion with my hubby last night, I was very honest about all of my issues and how it made me feel (I'd only ever skimmed the surface when talking to him before as I didn't want him to see me differently... It may be shallow but I still want him to fancy me!! Lol there was lots of tears and hugs and I sort of feel like now I've been h

Honest with him I can be honest with myself and get my head outta the sand!!!! Clock watching now so I can call th doc at 8!!! Lol

Unfortunately there's only a male doc at the surgery... But I'm just gonna bite the bullet....
Just hope I don't have to wait too long for an appt, don't wanna have chance to chicken out!!! Lol

Good luck IfOnly - well done you for getting this far; don't forget that you are allowed to request a female gynae if you'd prefer xxx

Well I did it!! Cudnt get me in to see doc until Tuesday so I asked to see the female nurse to have a chat about things before hand!! (I'm secretly hoping she'll examine me and talk to the doc before my appt! Lol)

I'm not that fussed about whether I have a male or female gynae, I know that probably weird but for me the biggest deal is actually making myself see anyone about it!!! (hense the fact I didn't wanna wait til tuesday, too much time for me to freak Out bout it and cancel!!

I'm hoping by seeing the nurse today it will get the ball rolling....

Well done Ifonly! I actually preferred my male gyna Dr when I was going to see about getting my ablation and TVT a few years ago, even though he looked about 12 . I found the female Dr was a bit abrupt. It's the personality and knowledge which is important.

Wow ifonly. What an amazing way you've come in 48 hours. Start of the journey and we're all with you Brilliant idea to see the nurse

Quick question.... I've read somewhere that prolapse cud run in families?? Is this true?? And if so shud I be talking to my mum/sisters about it to find out if they've ever had any issues with it? Did anyone's doc ever ask about family history in this dept!??

My Mum has never had any of the type of problems I've had, but her sister has . She still insists my aunty isn't my mum, but you never know . My mums mum had a lot of problems as well.

Thanks cantbelieve, it's is a bit mad how things have changed in a couple of days. I think subconsciously I posted on here cOs I knew I'd kinda reached end of the line and had to do something about it...(especially as the vaginal bleeding has gotten much worse ocer the last couple of days...)

I spose I was just reaching out for some support (which I found, so again thank u all!)

Just got back from seeing a Gynae surgeon, who said the small rectocele is not worth repairing, and my problem is Colorectal, (the Colorectal surgeon said it was a Gynae problem). WTF is wrong with using today's technology (fill my bowel with dye, and see where it goes!), simples! Thankfully this Gynae has ordered a test which shows waste coming out (is this a Proctogram?), but he says he will then refer me to another Colorectal surgeon. In the mean time, the pain, and manual evacuation, fatigue, and celibacy continue indefinitely! I'm BLOODY angry, confused, and I don't know whether I want to cry or strangle someone!

OH my things are moving fast xx

Hi Footle- sorry to here about the pain fortunately no probs with that :).I think the only thing that was right down there was my uterus and cervix as the nice doc said I had a big juicy cervix to which I asked does that mean its fat lol you should have seen his face :).
I dont think the gyn Dr meant it was ok if u are older , he said no-one should suffer It was in response to my female GP stateing that quote " I should try to manage my problems, as these operations were not always succesful and I was far too young to be considering rectocele repair" so manual evacuation of my bowel was acceptable to her . She actually only referred me as I had insisted on seeing somebody about my heavy periods which were causing anaemia .The doctor at the hospital I firstly saw male gynacologist who does not do surgery and after a thourough exam (previously had abdominal scan) said he would refer me on to his male colleauge who specailises on pelvic floor reconstruction. If it could be fixed why not was their philosophy. Both these Dr were very open informative and compasionate with regards to all aspects infact when I asked about not being too tight as I actually enjoyed my sex life and wanted to keep it going for many years to come excuse the pun They were all for this saying how refreshing that somebody would admit to enjoying sex and wishing to keep it going for as long as possible lol. SO my experience is that I would not hesitate to see a male Dr now as I found them more sympathetic and compassionate.
IfOnly - Well done you and hope all goes well x. My mum has had the bladder suspension in her early 30's, this was not very succesful for her but I think this was due to her non compliance with aftercare and lifestyle ie heavy lifting, wieght ect. Or possibly the techniques used then? She suffers from incontinence now and chronic constipation I suspect she has a rectocele but she will not discuss this. My 2 sisters are ok althouh one has had a hysterectomy after one DC and c- section. The other has no children and no intention of having any but each to their own.
Cocolepew- what was ablaton like and how long was the recovery from this I have to get this done next but stupidly did not go into too much detail with Doc at time . will ask when I see him in April but wondered if you have any info.
Speak soon stay well all and looking forward to hearing how all get on xx

Oh and Jackie62 her is one for your list:-
"Bristol stool score" look it up may give you a laugh Doc asked me the consistancy of my "poo" according to the Bristol stool score . Who actually comes up with these thing and gets paid for it x

Oh Nannasylv
just read your post, sorry does not cover it. You are quite right to feel anger and frustration. I think most of us after plucking up the courage just want to get to the bottom (soz) of it all and get it sorted ASAP. Easier said than done when you are banging your head against a brick wall ,but try to take a deap breath then go bash some pillows. I think I remember some posts a lot earlier on the original site ,one of the members had similar issues. finding out how she got on may help ??
After the proctogram you may be a little more enlightened, keep us informed , thinking of you and feeling your pain xxx Can I ask did you go private or NHS. Just wondering if you knew anything about the Gyn docs ? could you ask to be reffered to another one? 2nd opinion and all that x