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MaryAnnSingleton · 25/10/2011 09:48

can you believe it ??!!

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SparkleRainbow · 07/11/2011 10:14

Any of you hard working people around for a Brew I just put the kettle on.

SparkleRainbow · 07/11/2011 10:15

Thinking of you Drift.

topsyturner · 07/11/2011 10:17

Can I have a hot chocloate please sparkle ?

SparkleRainbow · 07/11/2011 10:18

My pleasure...., How are you feeling today?

pinkstarlight · 07/11/2011 10:26

topsy..my ds also hates swimming he has dyspraxia has been very lucky to have been able to learn to ride a bike,but swimming bless him he just cant swim hes gone weekly for most of his life and at 12 i doubt its ever going to happen.when he was at primary they almost banned him after a few incidents and an occasion where he went under the water and didnt come back up and had to be rescued. he makes a real fuss over swimming its very difficult to fight his corner at school to say hes wary of the water and especially scared of the deep end yet has joined the canoe club and apparently bombs round the pool racing his friends without a care in the world.of course now hes at secondary the kids scare each other with stories like they are going to make you jump in the deep end which dont help.

jane...how nice you are now close to your cousin,like you say you can see how you feel when you have finished rads.

smee...well done for getting back to work.

drift...thinking of you.

sparkle...morning sparkle,hope your ok.

i seemed to cope with rads ok but now nearly 2 weeks after rads have finished i seem to have been hit like a ton of bricks and spent most of the weekend asleep.all my underarm also suddenly looks like its one giant bruise,i hope im not joining the others and turning black.

SparkleRainbow · 07/11/2011 10:31

I hope you don't turn black too pink! Rads sem to really sap all your energy. I hope you have got a day on the sofa planned, and nothing more taxing.

I am ok, not brilliant to be honest, but not crying at the mo so that is an improvement, and a bit worried about ds this morning, he is in school, but nervously waiting for phonecall. I can't make up my mind whether to put a call into the gp for advise.

topsyturner · 07/11/2011 10:37

Thanks sparkle
Feeling alright today . Got a couple of phonecalls to make today , tax credits and BT . Hate dealing with beaurocracy (sp ?) .So am watching Have I Got News For You in a desperate bid to put off the evil deed Grin

DS is also a very poor swimmer , despite DH taking him every week for about 3 years . He just can't do it . Seems to be made of lead and sinks straight away ! Hope it goes ok for him today .

Got my rads planning appointment this Thursday . What should I expect ? They have told me I will be having (yet another) CT . But what does the rest of it involve ?

Oh and the bell on Have I Got News For You is driving pig/dog berserk . Every time they press the buzzer he leaps off his bed and runs for the front door .
I wouldn't mind but the buzzer sounds nothing like our door bell Grin

smee · 07/11/2011 10:39

What's up with DS, Sparkle? Hope he's okay. And how was DH over the weekend? Did you talk it through at all?

Pink, Rads do wipe you out. But also you've been through one heck of a lot of treatment, so that'll be hitting you too. Rest up and smile a bit as you're nearly through. If your skin goes, just be on top of it, so insist on dressings/ checks asap. It's not nice, but it doesn't last. Smile

Topsy, I'm a bit baffled by pirate gear too, though their topic this term is treasure and they spent all last week inventing their Pirate identity, so that makes a bit more sense of it.

Crumpets anyone? Smile

SparkleRainbow · 07/11/2011 10:45

Crumpets with melting butter.....yes please.

Ds seemed fine this morning, then suddenly he started complaining of numb cold feet. Which I know sounds like nothing, but he is always extremely warm, and with his condition he is at risk from spinal pressure and damage, and numbness is a symptom. He is also being invesitgated for mitral valve prolapse at the mo, so the coldness or possible poor circulation worries me too. He said he had no pain and no pins and needles so have sent him to school and wanred them to ring me.

Dh is not in a good way at all, we talked through some bits, he is meeting HR today he hopes, and is pinning his hopes on another department wanting him, maybe the one he just left, he had only been in this new job 5 months, he knew there was a reorg due when he moved there, but he was assured that he would not be part of it.....

SparkleRainbow · 07/11/2011 10:46

My ds can't swim either, he has lead swimming trunks! Wink actually it is due to poor proprioception and very poor core muscle strength, which is so poor he becamoes out of breath with the increased water pressure, compared to normal air pressure, before he has actually done anything!

smee · 07/11/2011 10:48

Heck Sparkle, sounds like you need comforting crumpets. Hope DS is okay and the phone doesn't go. I know your instincts are usually right though. Fingers crossed for DH and the HR dept then. x

MaryAnnSingleton · 07/11/2011 10:48

oh bless pig/dog - I would find him utterly adorable..
I expect you'll have lots of lying around being measured,drawn on and prodded...they use strange terminology too..and don't forget the tats -
Smee- yes, good advice about just being there -poor girl-her dad had only been diagnosed very recently so the speed of it all is quite overwhelming.
Hope swimming is ok for ds topsy Ds struggled gamely for ages before I found a private teacher who was totally brilliant with him and had him swimming (albeit in his awkward way) in no time and he absolutely adored it. He proved to be incredibly good underwater ,diving to retrieve things,swimming lengths underwater even.like a fish Grin The teacher used to wrap up chocolate coins/creme eggs in waterproof box at Christmas and Easter and have him dive for treasure (not in costume though !!)
Hope you soon feel less exhausted pink
Loads of good thoughts to drift today

Dh home from work- he got to his office only to be sent home as the roof has collapsed !

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MaryAnnSingleton · 07/11/2011 10:49

lots of love to junior sparkle and good thoughts for Mr Sparkle

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smee · 07/11/2011 10:50

topsy, rads planning involves lying down a lot. If it's like mine, lots of lovely attentive women cluck round you with gismos and then you get a teeny tattoo. Takes a while, but it's not painful at all so long as you're okay with lying still.

SparkleRainbow · 07/11/2011 10:55

Collapsed roof MAS...hope no-one was in there or hurt!

DeeScent · 07/11/2011 10:56

All the very best today Drift. When you're ready, let us know how you are.

SparkleRainbow · 07/11/2011 10:57

How does having to lie still with lots of supportive women clucking around sound then topsy....?

MaryAnnSingleton · 07/11/2011 10:59

I had a clucking man too
No one hurt in roof collapse,must've happened over weekend.

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SparkleRainbow · 07/11/2011 11:05

That was lucky then...what kind of building is it for the roof to have collapsed?

pinkstarlight · 07/11/2011 11:37

topsy..because of the fireworks over the last few days my big mutt has been following me everywhere and keeps standing on my feet,ouch it hurts.i found the people really nice at rads planning,i also got a young guy who appologised for keeping on staring at me told him it was ok as i was now so use to whipping my top off.the tattoos dont hurt just little pricks so you will be fine.

sparkle..i really hope your dh meeting goes well and some good news comes out of it.sounds like a talk to your gp might do you good as its important you get support to.hope your ds is ok.

smee..the pirate theme sounds great fun the kids will love it.

everyone keeps telling me its cold but my hot flushes are saving me a fortune in heating while the kids are at school lol.cleaned the house find im not to bad in the morning but have a huge dip in energy in the afternoon.

topsyturner · 07/11/2011 11:38

I will have to expose my chest a lot won't I ?
Sigh .
Don't like the idea of that .

Sparkle I hope that DS is ok .

MAS Eeeeek , roof collapse ? Is all ok ?

I have Tunnocks Tea Cakes if anyone is interested ...

DeeScent · 07/11/2011 11:40

Smee and anyone else who is interested:

My onc told me to go on a low GI diet, so I've been taking a look at that.

Found a few interesting bits on the web:

""Glycemic load" of diet tied to breast cancer risk

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The amount of carbohydrates a woman eats, as well as the overall "glycemic load" of her diet, impact her chances of developing breast cancer, Swedish researchers report.

The concept of glycemic load is based on the fact that different carbohydrates have different effects on blood sugar. White bread and potatoes, for example, have a high glycemic index, which means they tend to cause a rapid surge in blood sugar. Other carbs, such as high-fiber cereals or beans, create a more gradual change and are considered to have a low glycemic index.

Dr. Susanna C. Larsson of Karolinska Institute in Stockholm and colleagues analyzed data on 61,433 women who completed "food frequency" questionnaires in the late 1980s.

Over the course of about 17 years, 2952 women developed breast cancer and, according to the investigators, glycemic load "was significantly positively associated with risk of overall breast cancer." Women with higher glycemic load diets were more apt to develop breast cancer.

In addition, carbohydrate intake, glycemic index and glycemic load were all positively associated with risk of a certain type of breast tumor - namely, estrogen receptor (ER)-positive/progesterone receptor (PR)-negative breast cancer.

Women with the highest "glycemic index diet" had a 44% increased risk of developing ER+/PR- breast cancer compared to women with the lowest glycemic index diet.

Women in the highest category of "glycemic load" had an 81% increased risk of ER+/PR- tumors, and those with the highest carbohydrate intake had a 34% increased risk, compared to those in the lowest groups.

The investigators speculate that high-glycemic load diets may boost breast cancer risk by increasing concentrations of insulin and sex hormones in the body, which may contribute to the development and spread of breast cancer cells.

The findings support the benefits on breast health of a diet high in healthy "low glycemic index" foods.

SOURCE: International Journal of Cancer, July 2009."

cancer study link

Another one:

"Glycemic Index and Glycemic Load are important because research studies tell us that eating higher glycemic index foods, eating a higher glycemic load diet, and eating more simple sugar may increase risk of several types of cancer including cancers of the breast, colon & rectum, endometrium (uterus), lung, ovary, pancreas and upper aero-digestive tract (2-10).

In general, WHOLE plant foods, such as vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and especially legumes (beans) have a LOW glycemic load. If you base your choices around these foods, you will do well to keep your glycemic load low. In addition to this, there is plenty of research that tells us that plant foods, especially fruits and vegetables, can reduce risk of many types of cancer (11). Therefore, if you focus your diet around WHOLE plant foods, you will both eat a diet with a low glycemic load AND you will be including the cancer fighting nutrients found in plant foods.

this web link

There's a few tips there about eating whole foods, cutting down drastically on sugars and refined food, and eating good fats from nuts and olive oil plus other comments.

Also:

"The Link between High GI Foods and Cancer

Foods such as potatoes and white breads, which are high GI, have been linked to cancer in a new study carried out by Australian researchers. The study was carried out on nearly two million men and women and was published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. High GI foods have been shown to cause constant spikes in the body?s blood glucose levels. This causes the body to release more insulin to stabilise blood sugar, as well as a related substance called insulin like growth factor one (IGF-1). Both insulin and IGF-1 increase cell growth rates and decrease cell death rates. This increases the risk of developing cancer.

The 20 percent of people that have the highest GI diets have an increased risk of breast cancer (8 percent higher), and an overall increased risk of cancer and other disease of 14 percent."

from this link

another discussion of a healthy low GI diet

Sorry for the long post and I'm not personally pushing this diet, but wanted to pass on what my onc has suggested I do, in case anyone else wants to follow it up.

topsyturner · 07/11/2011 11:40

Fingers crossed for sparkles DH , hope he gets some good news .

topsyturner · 07/11/2011 11:43

What are ER+/PR+ cancers dee ? Mine is Herceptin+ .
Interesting reading , I am a woman who quite often would have a high GI diet .
Think it may be time for a rethink .

MaryAnnSingleton · 07/11/2011 11:49

ER+/PR+ are oestrogen and progesterone positive cancers

Not sure what the building is like,having never been to work with dh- am thinking it must be modern though- he said there'd been lots of leaks in the roof.

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