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This illustrates why your vaccine choice matters to the rest of us

346 replies

CatherinaJTV · 21/10/2011 09:14

one family's vaccine refusal killed one, another child, infected by the same unvaccinated pre-teen is still dying (since 2005):

justthevax.blogspot.com/2011/10/so-predictable-so-sad-natalie-dies-of.html

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punkinpie · 21/10/2011 20:39

The six in the waiting room, I mean?

Beachcomber · 21/10/2011 20:40

Don't you think it is a bit offensive to be posting some pretty scary stuff about measles to parents of children for whom the vaccine is contraindicated?

A bit thoughtless perhaps?

CatherinaJTV · 21/10/2011 20:40

punkinpie - not one of them was vaccinated. 3 were babies, don't know about the others.

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CatherinaJTV · 21/10/2011 20:41

Who exactly were you targeting your OP at exactly?

Excellent question - I think a lot of people here made assumptions about that today...

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punkinpie · 21/10/2011 20:42

Is it mainly to promote your blog?

CatherinaJTV · 21/10/2011 20:42

Don't you think it is a bit offensive to be posting some pretty scary stuff about measles to parents of children for whom the vaccine is contraindicated?

huh? Really signing off now

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CatherinaJTV · 21/10/2011 20:44

punkinpie

no - I don't know how to embed a video here and since this is a German story, I didn't have an English-speaking link. That is all.

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Pagwatch · 21/10/2011 20:44

Best news I have had all day.

Bye.

punkinpie · 21/10/2011 20:45

But the source of this German story is solely your blog. It seems a bit...unverified.

bumbleymummy · 21/10/2011 20:47

Well what was the point of it exactly? Either you're assuming that people who don't vaccinate are stupid,selfish and ignorant of the risks which clearly is not the case or you just wanted to be inflammatory and offensive. Maybe you should think a bit more when you post about a sensitive subject.

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CatherinaJTV · 21/10/2011 20:52

Bumbley - I was angry. I was probably also rash. However

selfish and ignorant in denial of the risks

I have seen a lot (not all here, but also here)

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Pagwatch · 21/10/2011 20:56

Angry. Rash...
Rude. Insensitive. Unpleasant. Massively inappropriate. Bigoted. Myopic. Smug. Superior.

FrauHolle · 21/10/2011 20:56

It's been in other news sources in Germany, too. It is v v sad and I am so upset for that family. Generally I think here in Germany we should copy the US and make vaccinations the law with exemptions only for those who can prove their children have a contraindications.

It is shocking to see how some very well educated parents refuse to have their kids vaccinated and believe stories such as the "MMR scare" that lying doctor published.

Illnesses like polio, measles, etc. are crippling and killing human beings, why not take the chance and prevent them in the first place?

bumbleymummy · 21/10/2011 21:03

Frau - the decision not to vaccinate is not always based on Wakefield (not sure what you're accusing him of lying about so I won't go into it). People have plenty of very valid reasons not to vaccinate their child and it is usually a very well thought out and carefully considered decision that is reviewed regularly. If you took the time to understand why people decide not to vaccinate/selectively vaccinate then you probably wouldn't find it do shocking.

wannaBe · 21/10/2011 21:03

so the children were unvaccinated?

So actually, any one of those murder weapons children could have been the ones to infect another child.

CalatalieSisters · 21/10/2011 21:05

I really apologise for any offence this causes, but I don't understand the vitriol here. Clearly there are children for whom vaccination is contra-indicated, because they have siblings who have been vaccine-damaged, or perhaps for other reasons too. And very clearly this is an extremely sensitive issue for those people and we should all respect the decisions they take. I wouldn't for a monent doubt the decisions made by parents in that position.

But it is also a reasonable opinion to believe that there is a public interest in most children being vaccinated, and, arguably, that there is an obligation on parents whose children aren't contra-indicated for vaccination to have their children vaccinated.

I didn't read the OP as targetting people who have very good reason not to vaccinate. I saw her points as being directed more generally, and therefore as making pretty much the same points as are standardly made within the NHS as part of their recommendation that most children should be vaccinated.

Perhaps there is a backstory here with this poster that I don't know about, but in the absence of a backstory the impression I get is that posters aren't tolerating a statement on MN of quite a mainstream opinion.

Pagwatch · 21/10/2011 21:09

Catalie

If you want to draft an op based around that, that premis, you will get an exchange of opinions but no more vitriol that an average posting on mn.

But posting that an unvaccinated child is a murder weapon is crass and deeply offensive.

If you can't see that I am not sure quite what to say to you

Beachcomber · 21/10/2011 21:21

What pag said.

punkinpie · 21/10/2011 21:28

I wonder if the OP is doing the rounds of parenting websites internationally promoting her blog disseminating information about murder weapons.

saintlyjimjams · 21/10/2011 23:48

Oh that's HER blog. Blimey it's a bit narrow isn't it. Measles DEATH chickenpox DEATH.

Here's a useful link for it: yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/ spread a little balance - too few people know about this website.

Thank you for you PM OP. We don't need a Stephen Hawakin voice thanks, we know the device we need (Vantage Lite), ds1 had a very successful trial with it. The problem is ££££'s. The LEA/HA and SS don't think it's their place to provide a voice for children who cannot speak (even when demonstrated that the device would give them a voice) so we need to raise 6 grand.

Excuse my lack of public spiritedness. This article is ancient, but still stands pretty much - and explains why you might be appealing to the wrong people to be public spirited.

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/feb/10/health.lifeandhealth

punkinpie · 22/10/2011 07:19

Jimjams, the clue's in the name: Catherina - name of the blogger. JTV - Just The Vax - name of the blog. CatherinaJTV - MN username.

A blog promotion in and of itself.

I'm not a blogger but AFAIK you can make money from blogging once you start getting lots of hits.

Starting highly offensive and controversial threads on sites like MN is a great way to get more hits, and presumably therefore more money from sponsors.

Actually I can think of a few potential sponsors for a blog like that.

bumbleymummy · 22/10/2011 07:43

That's quite sickening punkin. I think there are ads on the site and on the video she linked to so presumably that's what generates the revenue. The blog is clearly very one sided. Why is this considered acceptable whenever anyone who links to something considered to be an 'anti-vax' blog or website that has information about children who have been vaccine damaged would be scorned, ridiculed and accused of scaremongering?

saintlyjimjams · 22/10/2011 08:11

Yeah I eventually spotted that punkin Grin was being a bit slow - lol I agree with bumbley - the blog is so one sided with no discussion. There's more propaganda on there than in a be wise immunise nhs advert. Luckily the discussions I've had around vaccination with out various health care providers have been rather more balanced.

Btw my cat is up to date with his cat flu jab but is sneezing like crazy - started just over a day ago. Anyone know the efficacy rates - is it likely to be cat flu?

donnie · 22/10/2011 08:45

OP you would do well to post your apology to Beachcomber on that blog of yours where all your acolytes can see it. So will you do that please?

Otherwise it don't mean shit. Does it?