To not let dd have the HVP vaccination?

[DogGoneMad]

Dh and I really disagree on this.

"It's a vaccination against CANCER."

It is not a vaccination against cancer.

Some of the misinformation and ridicule of the OP on this thread is very scary.

YABVU and not at all well informed. Your DD is far, far, more likely to die of cervical cancer than have a reaction of any kind to the vaccine. Why not show this thread to your h and read the background material together.

The girl who died had a completely unrelated pre existing heart condition. Her death could unfortunately have happened at any time

Yes Blue I was being simplistic because I am frankly inredulous that the OP would not take the chance to have her daughter vaccinated. Of course it does not vaccinate against all cancer. It is a vaccination against the virus that can cause one type of cancer - cervical cancer. The key point is that the vaccination means you have a lower chance of developing cervical cancer. Weighing this against a negligible risk of any side effects more serious than a sore arm, to me it is a "no brainer".

yabvu

Ive had laser treatment to get rid of early pre cancerous cells. I wish there had been a vaccine when I was growing up. It terrifies me that the cancerous cells could come back.

It's worse than simplistic, it's wrong.

And you are still wrong: it is a vaccination against two of the strains of HPV that can cause cancer. Regular smear tests will still be required.

Regular and frequent smear tests are very effective in cancer prevention, and they carry no risk. I consider it a no-brainer to recommend this option to my daughter.

sorry to be pedantic, but it is a vaccine that protects against some of the strains of a virus that may lead to cancer.

that is a long way fromt he strenuous, oft repeated argments on this thread (and others)

OP at this point in time I would not want my dds to have it. the long term effects and efficacy are not known. how many boosters will be needed to maintain the protection? this is not known. and I worry that effective screening will be pushed later and later (as it already has been - when I was young first smears were at 20, or within 2 years of becoming sexually active. and then repeat every 2 years. it is nothing like that now)

"Please, if you love your daughter, which I think you do, spare her this experience. Get her vaccinated."

I don't know any single (particularly a "lay" man or woman) person who questions vaccines who would tell someone else what to do, especially accompanied by a form of emotional blackmail.

OP, whatever your choice, you have had some advice to inform yourself further -- and that's good advice. As lemonbalm says, there are threads on this in the vaccination topice: there's one going at the moment with plenty of balanced information.

I share your concerns. Do not be made to feel stupid or silly because of your choices. Ignore the insults.

the emotional blackmail is rife on vax threads atm, blueberties, as I know you are aware.

I just had to leave a thread to avert swift deployment of virtual frying pan for same.

I saw.

I sat on my hands.

a lot.

and resisted pointing out that my personal experiences are not ever accepted as counting for quite so much...

The both give cover for the two strains that cause 70% of cervical cancer.
Gardasil give some protection against a further 2 that cause 5-10% of cancers.
70-80% of cervical cancers can be prevented not 'some'
It is more helpful to be specific an vague

As I have mentioned, my best friend was screened 2 years before getting a diagnosis of non curable cancer.

This vaccine has a positive place when used in conjunction with a screening.
'Some' preventative protection is infinitely better than none at all

Yes silver that was screaming out.

I have come to the conclusion that Anti Vaccine people just have no grasp of relative risk, its the only explanation for the mindset.

I don't think you can be talking about myself or silver as neither of us are anti-vaccine. There is no mindset: that is extremely insulting.

I don't think there is any need to be insulting.

...yet more proof that staunch pro-vaxxers never actually read the threads.

who is anti vax on this one? because I haven't seen anyone, tbh.

The example of a person getting incurable cancer two years after a smear is as much an argument for more frequent (and risk free) smear tests as it is for universal vaccination with an unknown benefit.

They really do have a grasp of it!! But only when it supports their argument!!!

Narrow minded people who skim over the objective balanced and well researched information given by the majority of people on vaccine threads.

These threads all go the same way. Initially loads of posts of support in favour of the vaccine and then two or three instant posters who are convinced there is no other answer but theirs post news paper articles and conspiracy theories to scaremonger.

When their posts are met with reasonable defence they are so quick to play the victim.

People who ask for info on vaccines deserve specific, well researched scientific evidence to help them make informed decisions

As you say there is risk in everything. The risks of HPV and cervical cancer has been very real for the people who have chosen to share their stories. It is no more emotional blackmail than the posters who choose to share stories of their children who they believe have been permanently damaged by childhood vaccines
Unfortunately the anti vax crew won't see this as peoples pain from non vaccination in this case does not support their argument

And bb, screening is NOT risk free!! No medical procedure is!!!

I think these threads all go the same way because some posters find it difficult to resist the temptation to deride and insult. It is nothing to do with posters such as silver, bubbley and so on who are able to remain polite, calm, and devoted to the topic.

I don't want to talk about this anymore. I will respond when posters address the topic, and cease and desist from insulting comments.

Blue where did I suggest that smear tests would not be required? I have never said that on this thread or anywhere else. You are just making things up now.

I have regular smear tests and still very much wish that this vaccine had been available when I was younger.

And I agree wit PIMS smears are not risk free. There is always risk of infection, etc. But the risks are small, as they are with the vaccine.

I'm very pro-vaccination, but I don't think think the HPV vaccine is such a no-brainer.

Vaccinating girls, prescribing them the pill; these all carry side-effects and shift the burden of responsibility for sexual health almost entirely onto women.

Rape aside (meaning the risk of HPV infection from rape), I think that equal focus should be given to a comprehensive sexual health education programme from the age of 10. Boys and girls should understand that it is unacceptable to have sex without a condom. Boys in particular should be fully educated in the risks to a girl's fertility with unprotected sex.

The UK vaccine only 'protects' against a limited number of HPV strains anyway. I think the US vaccine is more comprehensive?

DD had hers last week.

Her arm hurt. But it's better now.

Please reconsider.

PIMS, when I (and other posters) have shared stories of vccine damage - never as emotively as you have posted this morning, I would add. and never with an absolute attached to it, only in the interests of sharing information. I have never, and woudl never, tell someone else what they must do wrt vaccination - we have been told that it is "something that happens", "an acceptable part of the vaccination programme", "collateral damage".

you have already today got so upset on a thread when posting about your friend that you have accused posters of raking over her story. and then you bring it up again on another thread. odd.

I would not be so quick to call the "playing the victim" card if I were you. your language and emotional outbursts on the other thread were extraordinary.

The risks of a smear are vanishingly close to zero. The risks of a vaccine are unknown and under-reported.

It doesn't matter what you said about smears: I didn't say that you said anything about smears: I said you were wrong that it was a vaccination against cancer and wrong that it was a vaccination against all HPV.

The point I was making, is that whether or not you have the vaccine, regular and frequent smears are needed. Given the high efficacy of smear tests in detecting early cell changes, it is not in any way an irrational choice to employ as a cancer prevention tool.

When DD2 brought the consent form home I didn't want her to have it but we talked about it and she told me if I didn't give consent she'd have it anyway, they don't need parents permission your DD can have it if so she wishes.

This thread has reminded me to be frightened about the results of my 3rd colposcopy, which are due any time.

I think that you are BU on the basis that none of your concerns seem especially concrete or well thought-through.

My dd had it, my other one will, it may not represent a stamping out forever of CC, but it's something.