To not let dd have the HVP vaccination?

[DogGoneMad]

Dh and I really disagree on this.

them bananas are fucking evil

And/or have boys vaccinated with Gardasil and girls vaccinated with Cervarix.

doggone, if you are still worried, give Cancer Research UK a call. I'm sure they'd be happy to talk about your concerns.

That's very sweet of you, norks, but undeserved!

Thank you Edam. I am thinking about it really carefully. I think I might come round to the idea of her having it. It's just so difficult when it's something as precious as my dd is.

And there's a piece in Easy Living about vaccinations including the HPV one too.

(Which reminds me, the experts I interviewed were so convincing, and so persuasive, that I was going to go off and pay for the vaccine privately, even though I'm way, way, WAY over the age range - just because there may possibly be some benefit and sod-all risk. Haven't got round to it though, just like I haven't got round to switching my bank account or 1001 other things I should be doing...)

anyfucker, , darn right! Very suspicious fruit.

There have been four deaths in total. All upon review have found pre existing medical problems on autopsy and did not support that the vaccine was to blame.
There is another thread on this where I have posted the research articles that demonstrate the safety and effectiveness of this vaccine.
My 24 year old best friend died of cancer caused by a preventable form of HPV. She left behind a 5 year old child.
condoms can not prevent it, abstinence may not prevent it as it can be passed through touch - hand to genitalia
Screening will detect it, but not prevent it. If it is detected, depending on the degree of change it may require treatment from laser therapy, biopsy, hysterectomy and or chemo/radiotherapy if it has mutated to cancer.
You are reasonable to question. You are unreasonable to refuse. This is her body too

DogGone - exactly, she's very precious, so it's important to protect her against HPV. Which is is almost certain to acquire and which does kill women.

Actually main risk with the vaccine is that people get complacent and stop going for smears. No vaccine is 100% effective in 100% of people all the time, and IIRC the vaccine doesn't protect against every possible strain of the virus, just those that most commonly cause cancer. So it's still important for girls to go for smear tests when they start to be called.

If it helps Dogs, work with the local authority nurses, to organise the Yr8's at my school, when it's time for their vaccinations. This is the 5th year we've been doing it and NOT ONE of the students have had any side effects from having it. I have seen over 1,000 girls have it. My daughter included.

BTW, it's not a vaccine to prevent cancer, it's a vaccine to prevent the virus that could lead to cancer. - Sorry, that's a bit picky isn't it!

Oh Edam, snap!

Btw, that Easy Living article MI mentioned is written by a damn fine health journo who does her research very, very, very thoroughly. Not me, just someone I happen to know!

HPV VACCINE OVERVIEW ? Human papillomavirus (HPV) is a virus that causes cervical cancer and genital warts. Persistent infection with certain types of HPV can lead to cancer of the cervix, which affects more than 10,000 American women every year. HPV can also cause cancers of the vulva, vagina, and anus, although these cancers are much less common than cervical cancer.

Two vaccines (Gardasil® and Cervarix®) are available to prevent infection with several types of HPV known to cause cervical cancer. It is hoped that these vaccines will significantly reduce the number of women who develop cervical cancer and pre-cancer.

WHAT IS HPV? ? Human papillomavirus (HPV) is a virus that is spread by skin-to-skin contact, including sexual intercourse, oral sex, anal sex, or any other contact involving the genital area (eg, hand to genital contact). Condoms do not provide complete protection from HPV infection because condoms do not cover all exposed genital skin. People do not become infected with HPV by touching an object, such as a toilet seat.

The risk of HPV exposure increases with the number of sexual partners you have and the number of partners your partner has. It has been estimated that 75 to 80 percent of sexually active adults will acquire HPV infection before the age of 50. A majority of women and men become infected with HPV for the first time between ages 15 and 25 years. Most people who are infected with HPV have no signs or symptoms and clear the infection within two years, often without treatment.

In 10 to 20 percent of people, however, the infection persists. In this situation, there is a greater chance of developing cervical pre-cancer and then cancer. However, it usually takes at least 20 years for HPV infection to cause cervical cancer. Thus, regular testing is important in detecting cervical abnormalities early, before cancer develops. (See "Patient information: Cervical cancer screening".)

Over 100 different types of HPV have been identified; 40 of these are known to infect the cervix and 15 are known to cause cervical cancer. Researchers have labeled the HPV types as being high or low risk for causing cervical cancer.

HPV types 6 and 11 can cause about 90 percent of genital warts. These types are low-risk because they do not cause cervical cancer. (See "Patient information: Genital warts in women".)

Types 16 and 18 are the high-risk types that cause most (about 70 percent) cases of cervical cancer. HPV types 45 and 31 are also high-risk types, causing about 5 to 10 percent of cervical cancers.

There are two HPV vaccines available. Talk to your healthcare provider to determine which vaccine is best for you.

One HPV vaccine (Gardasil®) helps to prevent infection with four HPV types (6, 11, 16, and 18)

The other vaccine (Cervarix®) prevents infection with HPV types 16 and 18, and it may offer some protection against HPV types 45 and 31.

HPV VACCINE TIMING AND DOSE ? Gardasil® is given by injection and requires three doses; the first injection is followed by a second and third dose two and six months later, respectively.

Cervarix® is also given by injection and requires three doses, although the schedule is slightly different than with Gardasil; the first injection is followed by a second and third dose one and six months later, respectively.

It is not clear if the vaccine is effective if fewer than three doses are given.

Who should be vaccinated? ? In the United States, HPV vaccination is recommended for all girls and women who are between ages 9 and 26 years.

With both vaccines, you will have the greatest protection from HPV if you are vaccinated BEFORE becoming sexually active. The vaccine does not help to get rid of HPV infection after it has occurred. However, if you are less than 26 years old and you have been sexually active, had genital warts, a positive HPV test, or an abnormal Pap smear, you may still obtain some benefit from the HPV vaccine.

How long will you be protected for? ? Scientists do not know exactly how long the vaccine protects against HPV infection. Clinical trials show that it provides protection for at least five years.

Neither vaccines contain mercury
The vaccines efficacy have been extensively trailed and I can give you the links if you want to look at the studies

My daughter did not get the HPV vaccination l am a health care worker and having read and attended all the seminars regarding the vaccine I made an informed choice with the agreement of my DH.

My Daughter had it. She has had bad reactions to a couple of vaccines, but came out the other side fine. No reaction at all to HPV jab.
Just do it!

OP, I've had cervical cancer, and I'm practically speechless that you would put your daughter, who you love very much, in harm's way. I was lucky (in one sense) that it was caught in time - I still had to undergo a gruelling operation - this has left me unable to have children, (no womb), with much of my vagina removed, and lifelong effects including lymphodoema in my lower body and legs (sp?) and the certainty of early menopause with all the health risks that brings with it. I've also got a gurt big scar on my belly and impaired bladder function (that's loads of fun, I can tell you). I am here today because of a wonderful gynaecologist (a man, as it happens, but that's another issue) who did my surgery, and my fantastic DH who helped me through, along with a great team of nurses and doctors. Believe me it is no fun thinking about your own funeral when you are in your thirties, or being a patient in a hospice or having to tell your family that you have a life threatening disease, and seeing the people you care about, worried sick.

Please, if you love your daughter, which I think you do, spare her this experience. Get her vaccinated.

I was due to have some of my cervix removed tomorrow because I have been infected with HPV at some point. Under GA as well as it is too difficult to remove under local (was in enough pain from the biopsies done). Unfortunately I can't as I now have a womb infection (unrelated I would imagine/hope) but still it's urgent enough that the op has been reschedule for as soon as possible (2 weeks time) after the anti-bs have been stopped.

I had one dodgy smear test less than 6 months ago, I had two colposcopies and about 6 biopsies taken overall, the cells have gone from severe diskaryosis to pre-cancerous stage 2 & 3 in 3 months and I need to have the cells removed quickly before they have a chance to keep changing.

If I could have the go back in time and have the HPV jab I would. Even if I had side effects, some swelling at the injection site is miles better than being told you need a general anaesthetic and the risks that entails, can't bf for 24 hours (duff advice I now @@) after, can't lift anything for weeks (great I have a toddler and a 3y/o with arthritis - how am I not going to lift anything?), no sex/intimate contact for weeks, risk of haemorrage, blah, blah, blah. I'd swap even a chance at not getting this in a heartbeat.

All three of my DD will be getting the HPV vaccine. I just hope they will extend the programme to the other party....

And here's me wishing all these years that I could have been part of the eligible age group for it.

My son had his last Gardasil jab this evening. £114.18 each. Not a lot to save him from the various cancers associated with HPV in both sexes.

I am 40. At 35 I was diagnosed with early stage cervical cancer. I was advised to have a hysterectomy. I wanted to have a child. I got very, very good medical care, and an amazing and understanding doctor. I did not have the hysterectomy, but had three separate surgeries over the course of two years. I was treated in the US at a great teaching hospital and I know I was very lucky.

I am better (all good smears for the last few years) and a year ago I had a baby girl. I cry almost every day, thinking how lucky I am to have her.

That said - it was a terrifying, horrendous, absolutely devastating thing. It still haunts me - I get regular smears, but was told that the sort of adenocarcinoma I had will probably return. My sexual confidence has been badly shaken by the surgeries and the whole experience. Throughout my pregnancy I was terrified of losing the baby, as this can happen due to an incompetent cervix as a result of the treatments I had.

I did not sleep around, I did not have a lot of sexual partners or engage in risky sex.

The amount of misinformation out there about both HPV and the vaccines is appalling. I would never tell someone else what to do when it came to their child's health choices, but I would strongly urge you to get better information about the vaccine, as well as about the "kind of people" who get exposed to HPV (nearly everyone!!!).

My DSD is 16. I am so glad she's been able to have the vaccine. No one can understand, until they have been there, the particular fear that comes with a gynocological cancer scare. It upsets me so much that people will oppose the vaccine or deny it to their daughters simply because of an unbased and abstract sense of anxiety.

DogGoneMad - I think you are right to have some hesitation, in a way we would not have about a vaccine for infectious diseases like measles, rubella, diphtheria, etc. In addition to PIMSoclock's useful summary, you might like to read this entry if you haven't already. As a healthcare professional, I would say this wikipedia entry is pretty accurate: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccine
You as parents know your DD best, and only you can decide whether it is right for her to be made to have a vaccine before she has made any decisions about any future sexual activity. I agree with a previous comment about Gardasil (not on the NHS) vs Cervarix(the one given on the NHS). If I had to pay for any HPV vaccine, Gardasil would be the one I would choose. Just because an intervention is free, it doesn't make it the better one.
And the vaccine does not treat papilloma virus infection is already infected, neither is the vaccine 100% protective.
Since bowel and breast cancer have been mentioned by others, cervical cancer is not as common or difficult to treat as the above two if caught early, provided the patient has regular smear tests and also pays heed to symptoms even if a previous smear was clear. That's a direct comparison in terms of screening, not a pronouncement on whether one cancer is more devastating than another.

There's lots of information on this in the Vaccinations topic, OP.

No, sorry. By the time one has symptoms of cervical cancer, one is likely to be facing something very, very bad.

You should at least read up on the Gardasil vs Cervarix debate, as kipperandtiger indicates.

More people end up damaged by the diseases that vaccines prevent.

If you look at the statistics there have been no major side effects (I mean more serious than sore arm straight after injection) caused by the hPV vaccines. The media has put figures about saying there have been hundreds, but when these were compared to the ailments experienced by teenage girls before the vaccine there has been no increase.

But this vaccine does not prevent cancer, it will protect against HPV (although I do not think any vaccine is 100%), which can cause cervical cancer, so it will majorly decrease her chances of getting this type of cancer. She will still need regular smear tests.