To not let dd have the HVP vaccination?

[DogGoneMad]

Dh and I really disagree on this.

Personally i think it says 'go out, fuck about, but dont worry you've had the jab'

We should be promoting a more wholesome lifestyle for our DDs.

DogGoneMad I think you should encourage DD to have it.

It is worth remembering that she doesn't actually require your consent to have it done, in the same way that if you signed the form and she refused to have it done, she wouldn't be forced to.

I think sex education encourages kids to have sex.

< thinking i'm outnumbered on this thread - oooo look at the time.....The Simpsons is about to start>

The emotional blackmail on this thread is shocking

Care to cite some examples?

I see fairly wild and emotional allegations of vaccine dangers, typically without proofs, and a lot of people trying to explain basic risk stats in reply.

Sex education encourages kids to have sex...
Not giving sex education leaves kids unable to understand why their body is changing and leads to sexually transmitted infection and teen pregnancies.

That's really not a helpful mindset.
On some villages in Africa, the witch doctors tell people that to cure their HIV they have to sleep with a virgin.
Why should they know any better if they had no sex education

Waiting till 18 is a bit late, your daughters will have started experimenting by then and if they have HPV the vaccine won't work.

This is not a cancer vaccine, but it is a vaccine that can prevent 70-80% of cervical cancer. That is undeniable

Sex education encourages kids to have sex... heh?
Because otherwise in our society, they would be totally innocent...
Mental.

weevilswobble Mon 19-Sep-11 21:18:22
Have been suffering alot of anxiety and part of that is a fear of cervical cancer. I got the HPV virus on my first ever sexual encounter aged 17, and was told i'd need an annual smear. I have had abnormal smears and treatment for abnormal cells in the past but i'm currently on a 3 yr recall.

Just because you contracted HPV does not mean you lead an unwholesome lifestyle. It can happen to anyone. Surely if you could save your daughters the current worry you have you would? Bearing in mind that you can not make them wear chastity belts till they are 60, at some point (sooner than you think) they will start to experiment with sexual feelings. IT is not wrong or unwholesome, it is natural.

Was waiting for this...... You are sooooo clever. Doesnt change what i think.

LeonieDelt - I think they give it to girls while they're 12/13 because it's hopefully early enough for them not to be sexually active. If you insist your daughters are 18+ before they're allowed to have the HPV vaccine, that could conceivably be too late for it to be any use.

I'm in the wrong place to be talking about promoting abstinance i guess, but from my experience of life, it would have been the advice i wish i was given. Therefore the advice i would give.
Having a vaccine could give someone the idea they were invincible.

Its not an unreasonable piece of info to share. The thing that struck me about your post in the first place was the genuine fear of cervical cancer along with the fact that your situation is really not an uncommon one.
I believe in this vaccination as it can give you 70-80% protection against the forms of HPV that lead to cancer. Having lost my friend to it, seen the pain, fear and devastation I would not wish it on my worst enemy and would love to wave a magic wand to take it all back.

She was not promiscuous, she had sex with 2 people in her lifetime. She was certainly more 'wholesome' that I was as a teenager

Just wondering- Presumably if they do not know how long exactly the vaccine helps to protect against CC, other then 'at least' 5 years.. does that mean young women will have to be vaccinated every 5 years until 50 or so?

Also - they do not know what any long term side effects may be yet.. How can they say it is 100% safe, if they don't know.

Not playing devils advocate btw, i just don't understand

Having a vaccine could give someone the idea they were invincible
I dont agree. Having an open and honest conversation about the dangers of unprotected sex and the need for condoms to prevent HIV and AIDS transmission as well as other STIs that could cause long term fertility problems has to be part of your DC sex education. Vaccines combined with good all round sexual health is the best way to protect them. Information is power and to not give them all the information is taking a greater risk with their health. Teenager will experiment and we need to give them the knowledge tools and skills to deal with their feelings and make sure they understand them and are safe no matter what they inevitably choose to do.

Giving a vaccine with no added info can let your DC think what they want, but I dont imagine for a minute you would ever want to leave them with the wrong impression about any situation that is so serious.

No jellycat, provisional studies estimated that the vaccine would give good protection for 15 years and beyond.
More in depth studies that measure immunity in large populations of vaccinated women are at the 5/6 year mark and show that their immunity is still high.

I expect there will be a booster offered to 'at risk' people in their 30s, but WHO have not yet made any clear recommendations

given that a lot of adults seem to misunderstand what the hpv vaccine does - you only ned to glance through threads to see how woefully inaccurate many posts are - I hold out little hope that the majrity of teenagers (not exactly known for listening, teens ) will not take it also misunderstand.

and that is worrying. and will potentially leave them vulnerable - because they wil believe it is "one shot for life" (they are being told that already, when it is not known whether this is true), and they will very probably think it is effective against all hpv, rather than a select few strains.

couple this with the reduction in screening that has already been taking place over the last few years, and I do not think that, overall, a cosy little chat about sex education is going to be much use, tbh.

Sorry dont want to be misleading.

As the provisional studies were small scale, the info from the larger studies is much better quality but can not provide guaranteed info beyond the stage it is at. That is why immunity can only be guaranteed for 5 years at present

Hope that makes sense?

a little chat about sex education will not prevent HPV transmission
as it can not be prevented by condoms

Wish it could and there would be no need for this in the first place.

Having a vaccine could give someone the idea they were invincible.

Surely not if they are told this is not the case. Children are not totally stupid.

Yes i get it, thanks PIMS..

What about the long term effects, they can't say there aren't any, if they don't know yet tho..

Have you done any research on the effects? Simply put, the effects are not fatal and cervical cancer can be.

Additionally, it is worth saying that immunity can not be measured by a blood simple blood test as it is not know what the required level of antibodies are to prevent HPV/CN changes

Therefor the information in the studies that measures the vaccines efficacy look at the presence of HPV DNA, anal/vaginal lesions, CIN changes and presence of cancer. This is why the information is taken a while to come through. However the plan for follow up will be based on this information.

From all the studies that have taken place, pre and post license there is absolutely no evidence that these vaccines have any long term side effects.

Can post the info and the reported adverse events info if that would help?

No of course i haven't Fatshionista, wind yer neck in, i'm just interested in what they base there 'it's perfectly safe' statements on..

Thank you PIMS for explaining.. I don't have DDs, so don't have to make any decisions re. the vaccination itself, and all my friends have boys (i kid you not).. but would be interested in a link to see the reported adverse effects, if there is one.