To not let dd have the HVP vaccination?

[DogGoneMad]

Dh and I really disagree on this.

3 of my DDs got gardasil and had no side effects except sore arms. One DD to go. DS will have it too this year. It wasn't approved for boys when he was 13 or 14 or whatever age he was when it came out.

It's not 100% effective against all the HPV viruses that can cause cancer so routine pap tests are still necessary. I would still like to see them have the shots, in preference to developing cervical cancer, or suffering infertility as a result of cervical biopsies.

Is this it Lemonbalm? Aluminium Vaccine Adjuvants: Are They Safe pdf?. This article is quite critical of vaccination in general (citing Th1 vs Th2 immunity), and appears to link autism with vaccination. 'Chronic inflammation' of the brain is alleged as a side effect of aluminium in the body. There is a lot of 'this may' and 'likely'.

The paper's research was supported in part by the Katlyn Fox Foundation (see Andrew Wakefield article in the link).

This is important to remember about aluminium adjuvants: 'In its absence, antigenic components of most vaccines (with the exception of live attenuated vaccines) fail to launch an adequate immune response..'

Leonie, your claims of an entire autistic generation are ludicrous.
Aluminium has been used in injections for over 90 years with no such issues.
There is no link with the HPV vaccine and autism so I suggest you perhaps take ur scare mongering elsewhere

I am amazed that someone can have such misconceptions about chemical absorption from the lungs and skin can confidently say that aluminium from vaccines can cross the blood brain barrier!!

The link posted is an abstract, have you read it? It's an intention to start research not providing anything new.

Thanks for declaring your lack of objectivity, it's important to be transparent when arguing round this

Is your interest just a personal one, PIMS? I agree with you about being transparent about any vested interest or agenda.

Yes, my vested interest is that I have children, and I want to have healthy grandchildren.

Unvaccinated autistic children.

So where is the vaccine link in causing an explosion?

The ability to to diagnose autism has significantly improved, in recent years hence the increase in diagnosis.

I never said opinion restricted your ability to share info, but I think it is important to declare your bias.
To not do so is very misleading.

I have declared my background to this. Have you read it?

As I said before. There is no link between HPV and autism. To suggest there is is entirely irresponsible and misleading.

Please stick to the facts and stop scare mongering
Leonie/lemon ensuring health is as much about prevention as it is about detecting and treating disease.
HPV can cause fatal cervical cancer.
The risks of HPV far outweigh any risk associated with it's vaccine, fact

And if your daughters were to contract HPV, there is a chance that it could lead to infertility through cell changes/cancer or the treatment given for them
They may not have the option of children.
In the case of my best friend, she died of a preventable form of cervical cancer and left her 5 year old with out a mum.

Prevention is better than treatment for HPV. There is no curative treatment for HPV

Reports such as this one - Reports of autoimmune disorders after hpv vaccine raise questions - don't inspire me with confidence.

An excerpt from the above:
"Both Cervarix and Gardasil, for instance, have been associated with autoimmune diseases, which arise in genetically predisposed individuals but require an environmental trigger such as chemical exposure or a vaccination. "

and statements such as this (again from the above link) make me wonder whether which option carries the worse risk.

"Cervarix and Gardasil are both new vaccines against the human papillomavirus, which is usually shrugged off by the immune system but can, in a very tiny percentage of cases, cause cervical cancer and (even more rarely) penile, esophageal, anal or testicular cancer."

Generally I am pro-vaccine and I really would like to feel convinced of this one (bela's posts have almost converted me) but I still don't feel able to give the go-ahead on this one.

I don't know you, I don't know who 'peachy' is.

I'm not being rude, I just don't buy into the hysteria especially when it's totally irrelevant to this thread.

Can I just be clear. Your children have autism even though they are unvaccinated??

Not sure how that refutes the point that autism incidences of autism have increased due to better surveillance.

There is no causative link between the HPV vaccine and autism. There is not even a suggestion of it.

Your claims are dangerous.
Unfounded claims like that lead to Andrew wakefeild being struck off from the medical register.

Autism has no relevance to this thread, please start a separate one if you want to discuss further. Your scare mongering is not only inaccurate but dangerous when we are considering the HPV vaccine

Juule, that report is based in info from 2009. The report specifically states NO CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP is established.
I can repost the most up to date info on adverse events again.
The overall conclusion from 2011 stated that this vaccine was safe an highly effective in preventing HPV

Full sentence is :
"they have not established a causal relationship between the vaccine and autoimmune problems but would like clinicians to monitor patients for any emerging adverse effects.

So it appears that a relationship wasn't ruled out.

One thing that I don't doubt is how effective the vaccine is against HPV.

I suppose it depends on how much of a problem you consider HPV to be.

For me the choice seems to come down to:

"the human papillomavirus, which is usually shrugged off by the immune system"
or (my own words)
Cerverix, which is usually tolerated without problems.

Although I would add that although I believe the vaccine to be effective against HPV there is still a question mark over it's duration of effectiveness and whether even a small risk of an adverse effect is worth it for possibly no protection at all as the vaccine protection will have worn off by the time it is required. (e.g. vaccinating a 12y who has no contact with the virus until around age 21y)

I think I gave extracts from a different link earlier. They came from this one Again 2009 but still concerning.

Yes, I am implying that it is less than believable, Leonie. Wakefield has been thoroughly discredited (and struck off the medical register iirc) -- but apparently his fan club is still up and running and plying his case through other mouthpieces.

The article throws the kitchen sink at vaccines, which are accused of causing a panoply of conditions and illnesses from autism to dementia, and fails to come up with any solid conclusions, just a lot of 'may' and 'likely' and 'more research is needed'.

"This is important to remember about aluminium adjuvants: 'In its absence, antigenic components of most vaccines (with the exception of live attenuated vaccines) fail to launch an adequate immune response..'"

Which shows, IMHO, that we're going about this artificial injectible immunity thing all wrong, and that injecting neurotoxins and subsequently having an entire gneeration full of autistic and ADHD and other vaccine injured children is INSANITY.

It shows no such thing, LD.

Thanks for posting that link, Math. I think it's a very useful paper.

PIMS, I got from your earlier posts that you're a medical researcher of some kind. But if you are funded by Glaxo Smith Kline or other drug manufacturers, it would be more honest to declare it.

oh my god! I've gotten no such impression from PIMS posts, and I must say, it seems that you are casting about a bit, and now desperately trying to undermine someone with whom you disagree. PIMS has presented a solid, but hardly extraordinary or extreme position, and has been persistent in confronting (along with others) some of the nonsense and dangerous thinking put forth on this thread. But let me assure you - all that demonstrates is good sense and a sense of moral outrage - not a paycheque from a pharmeceutical company.

You are doing your own cause more harm than good with this thread - I wonder if you realise that.

I don't have a cause except the health of my children; except for a desire for healthy grandchildren, as well.

doha- please could you tell me more rewhat you have read etc-many thanks