To not let dd have the HVP vaccination?

[DogGoneMad]

Dh and I really disagree on this.

Makes me feel sick.

Lemonbalm, that's not a new abstract! Surprised that just appeared in ur in box today??

Aluminium is a naturally occurring element that can be found in small levels normally in the blood and is normally cleared by the kidneys.
The levels in vaccines are no where near the level that would cause aluminium toxicity and would be cleared from the system in a few hours.
The studies this paper mentioned is lab research thar looked what happens on an intracellular level when aluminium is directly introduced to the neurological tissues. Aluminium in vaccines should not cross the blood brain barrier.
These studies do not look at what happens clinical, only in vitro.

Vaccines containing low levels aluminium have been used for 90 years with no concerns re specific adverse effects.
Aluminium is present in anti perspirants and nappy rash cream.

I think the outcome of this study will quell the hypothesis among the concerned.

Leonie, have you suffered any I'll effects from your cocktail??!

You are exposed to much worse through passive smoking and car exhaust fumes and in higher quantities.

Clinical and analytical sensivity of HPV testing also good for insomnia!
PIMs sorry having re-read your question, you were after which HPV test they've used for the vaccine trials. I'd need to have a dig for that. The trials started a few years ago; there were a range of tests which have thinned out to be grouped around DNA/RNA based. Not sure without re-reading some of the major vaccine trial papers.

I need insomnia so I can read this stuff. Where's the caffeine?

Most people I know try to avoid aluminium. Usually because of the connection with Alzheimers. I thought it was fairly well-known that using anti-perspirants with aluminium in is a really bad idea. I hadn't heard about the nappy rash cream, though - which one is that, or is it nearly all of them?

Lungs receive oxygenated blood straight from the heart. Particles diffuse readily into the blood stream making Inhalation is one of the quickest way to absorb drugs. The nasal membrane is soo porus that drugs and toxins are easily absorbed. In fact some vaccines can even be given intra-nasally. Are you under the impression that car exhaust and passive smoking will not pass toxins to your blood stream because you lungs have some role in immunity?? You are hugely mistaken. Nasal hairs and cilla with catch dust, not anything much smaller, certainly not the harmful parts of exhaust fumes.
Have you seem what's in cigarette smoke and car exhaust fumes??? MUCH worse for your health!!
As I said, aluminium from vaccines should not cross the blood brain barrier and aluminium is a naturally occurring element that can be found in small levels in the blood.

It's normally silverfrog and blueberties that post these links. They will be delighted you've taken up the torch in their absence

The message I got says the report is a new one.

Here's the link. I haven't read on.

Yes the found aluminium in breast tumours, but there is no evidence to show that this is causative.

I'm not trying to be patronising but do you understand the difference between correlation and causation?

"I've raised her to have high self-esteem and self-worth and I don't think she'll give herself too easily, so I feel the risks of the vaccine are not worth it for her. I don't think that of every girl - certainly."

see, the implication here is that i ended up with cervical cancer because i wasn't raised to have self-esteem or self-worth (pshaw!) and i "gave myself" too easily.

this kind of thinking and discourse really pisses me off. and it should piss your daughters off as well.

The media always tell us is because of aluminium in anti-perspirants? Could there be another cause?

Could their be another cause of breast cancer?? There could literally be hundreds.
Genetics, diet, weight, hormone imbalance, medication and many many more

Just because there is a link does not mean one causes another.
The number if ice creams eaten rises with the number of drownings during the year, this is a correlation, but we know there is no causation. One doesn't cause the other.

You told me the skin protects against smoke and fumes and chemicals, by your logic it should protect from aluminium in deodorant?!

There is also aluminium in indigestion remedies and nappy rash cream

Bela, that's ok. Thanks anyway. Was just curious x

Brdgrl, I feel the same for my best friend. I hope your doing ok xx

No, of course I meant: could there be another cause of aluminium being found in breast cancer tumours?

I don't know who said something about skin protecting against smoke and fumes, if anyone did. It wasn't me. At school children are taught that any chemical applied to the skin is quite likely to be absorbed by it.

Which nappy rash cream has aluminium in it?

I think people generally know about the aluminium in indigestion remedies, and try to limit their use.

Lemon, read leonies post from 2212 for skin ref
There is a fraction of the amount of aluminium in vaccines as there is in ONE DOSE of common over the counter antacid remedies

I suppose this, in Leonie's link, answers my first question:

The report, published in the Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry, goes on: ?We have confirmed the presence of aluminium in breast tissue and its possible regional distribution within the breast. Higher content of aluminium in the outer breast might be explained by this region?s closer proximity to the underarm where the highest density of application of antiperspirant could be assumed. There is evidence that skin is permeable to aluminium when applied as antiperspirant.

?However, we have no direct evidence that the aluminium measured in these breast biopsies originated from antiperspirant. An alternative explanation might be that tumourous tissue acts as a ?sink? for systemic aluminium?.

But it goes on to say that ?aluminium in breast tissue might contribute? to breast cancer.

?Aluminium is a metalloestrogen, it is genotoxic, is bound by DNA and has been shown to be carcinogenic. It is also a pro-oxidant and this unusual property might provide a mechanistic basis for any putative carcinogenicity. The confirmed presence of aluminium in breast tissue biopsies highlights its potential as a possible factor in the aetiology of breast cancer?.

Yes, exactly, Leonie made the reference to skin, not me. Not sure why you're mixing me up with Leonie?

A lot of mays, mights and potentiallys used in that paper. Can I just add that the findings were based on 17 participants.

If those words were describing benefits of vaccination, you would be very wary of considering them to mean anything. The sample size is too small to provide meaningful transferable conclusions and is only powered to suggest that further research should take place. As you quoted, there is no evidence to show it came from the deodorant (contrary to the title) and there is no further analysis of job, life style, environmental exposure. The lack of the is hugely relevant to the conclusions they have drawn and makes them less valid.

There is no research (I am aware of) that has confirmed a causative link

Can anyone access the full PubMed report entitled "Aluminium vaccine adjuvants: are they safe?"

PubMed report

It's clearly dated 2011, but I can't see a month of publication.

It was certainly sent to me yesterday with the implication that it was a brand new report. Its findings seem very germane to this thread, and if it is indeed new research, then people need to be aware of it. (I would have thought.)

The summary says: "The notion that aluminum in vaccines is safe appears to be widely accepted. Experimental research, however, clearly shows that aluminum adjuvants have a potential to induce serious immunological disorders in humans."

(It's not the report that Leonie linked to, which deals with aluminium and breast cancer, and which PIMS refers to above.)