Help me make sense of MMR - hype or theory

[felicity10]

OK, so I've been through a few pages of previous posts, I must be missing something because I can't make sense of it!

DD is 1 and I've had a letter about the vacs from the GP. I've heard about the MMR in the news few years ago and about the link to autism, but I just would really value your views.

Single vacs with no mumps or the MMR? Can anyone point me in the direction of key MMR issues?

I just don't want to get to the gp's and then feel like I am getting bullied into having the mmr - it is normally very no nonsense nurses who barely speak english, so will be unlikely to give me a clear answer as to any risks.

I am amazed that we have this lack of clarity in the UK.

Many thanks in advance!

You need to apologise for treating vaccine damage as a joke. Since you think half the people on here don't have children who were damaged by vaccines, you are treating their plight as a joke, as "amusing", you are setting them up for ridicule. It's disgusting, childish and callous. And I think you should apologise.

Good on you Leonie! I'm glad you at least, unlike your friends who like to jazz it up as something different, have the decency and honesty to admit that you believe in the conspiracy theory.

And you've also been honest enough to admit that nothing in the peer-reviwed journals will change your mind because it's all so corrupt (unless it agrees with you of course).

Hear hear Leonie.

While we're on the subject of GSK...don't know how much I ought to say really.. but you could check out the staff movements between UK immunisation policy dept and GSK.

I have late teen step children - my step son declined to get his immunity tested before heading off to university. I can only hope he is covered.

I doubt my step daughter will test her rubella immunity before having children (which hopefully is stilla long way off )

these are things which could only benefit them, and I am careful not to load my statements when talkng to them about it - they do not know that dd1 was vaccine damaged.

I will have to tutor dd2 through it, in time - although there is always a chance she will be studying the greatest cover up/smear campaign in modern history instead (she is just 4 - there is time)

thereis a section in Callous Disregard about the "mmr controversy" appearing as a GCSE question, where to get the marks, the pupil has to actually answer incorrectly...

it is being drip fed, form really quite young, and I do find that alarming to say the least.

Stata: apologise for treating vaccine damage and its victims as a joke.

OMG!! You mean the UK Department of Health is also corrupted?!? They're also in on the consipiracy?

I think you need to submit a freedom of information request pronto (unless of course they lie!!)

Silver: I'm less balanced than you: my children knew how to pass the exam: but they also know what's what. Ahem.

Stata are you taking the fucking piss or what?

If you cannot discuss the science because you don't understand it, then just say so. I didn't understand it the first time I read it either.

Your 'yeah let's giggle at kids with colostomy bags and the doctor who tries to help them ' humour, is in the worst taste imaginable.

Good god woman - get a grip on yourself.

You know what - the only reason I'm not flaming you good right and proper is because you come across as not being quite the full shilling.

Oh by the way -- you need to apologise - on your knees, I'd say - for treating vaccine damage and its victims as a joke.

do you really think that gov departments don't lie when subjected to FOI requests?

sadly, I have evidence that 2, at least, do.

of course when shown the proof, it is "just an oversight"

but send enough FOI requests in, and you get the info eventually, even if it si by mistake (again, personal experience of this)

RPO - my children will know the same as yours.

but it isn't my place to educate my stepchildren. dh may have mentioned something.

but anything I say will be torn to shreds simply because I say it, so it is better not to come form me, iyswim?

"you come across as not being quite the full shilling."

funny you should say that - I'm also becoming a little puzzled. I think there might be something not quite right here.

No, rightpissedoff - I am dealing with my 91 year old mother being in hospital. I have not had time or energy to read detailed papers for the last few days.

Happy now?

You can think what you want about me. I frankly don;t goive a flying fuck. But if you think that the posts I have made are point scoring or quibbling then you have no idea what you are talking about. You obviously feel you have the right to be as offensive as you like, and dance round like some 8 year old in the playground sticking your tongue out and going "nyah nyah nyah". You do your cause no favours.

You don't need an foi request. ..hmm

Oh Stata you are exceptionally good value!

I'm wiping the tears of laughter off my face at this one;

"What is the difference? There are many different types of study. A case series is a type of study."

You are hilarious when you are not being crass and offensive.

To repeat. Genuinely vaccine damaged children are not a joke and no-one says so. The joke (well, it would be a funny joke if it didn't result in harm), and the ones exceedingly deserving of ridicule, is the denialist anti-vax movement. But since none of you are actually part of that movement then that's OK.

No, there are certainly types of science I don't understnad. What I do is rely on trusted sources (ie people who are qualified to do so) to review articles that are outside of my area of expertise. I don't have the hubris to think that I am qualified to do so. What is clear is that in each area, the overwhelming majority of the scientific community has rejected your claims. Wheeling out the odd study (and the one that was linked to above was a review - and not even a systematic one, no idea what the search strategy was - and not original research, so nothing new) isn't going to change the picture because the majority of studies aren't finding what you're trying to show.

What's the difference?

A case series is a type of study. Studies can encompass many different types of analysis or data collection.

I'm honestly confused but you haven't explained. I'd appreciate enlightenment.

You have treated this subject with ridicule. You have posted "amusing" poems and links about vaccine damage. Not "real" victims? Oh purlease. In that case you're poking fun at half the people here, with their children who you don't believe were damaged by vaccines. So you're laughing at them, and ridiculing them. It's disgusting. You should apologise.

You do realise that a case series is a TYPE of study?

An observational study is a TYPE of study

An randomised control trial is a TYPE of study

A case control study is a TYPE of study

How are you all defining a study in the anti-vax movement? It's certainly different to anything I've come across.

Disgusting. Apologise. How the others are keeping their temper I do not know.

i'm sorry to hear about your mum. But interested that you find the time to post the questions and the demands and the criticisms, but never, ever the responses.

that was for seeker.