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Help me make sense of MMR - hype or theory

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felicity10 · 17/02/2011 20:53

OK, so I've been through a few pages of previous posts, I must be missing something because I can't make sense of it!

DD is 1 and I've had a letter about the vacs from the GP. I've heard about the MMR in the news few years ago and about the link to autism, but I just would really value your views.

Single vacs with no mumps or the MMR? Confused Can anyone point me in the direction of key MMR issues?

I just don't want to get to the gp's and then feel like I am getting bullied into having the mmr - it is normally very no nonsense nurses who barely speak english, so will be unlikely to give me a clear answer as to any risks.

I am amazed that we have this lack of clarity in the UK.

Many thanks in advance!

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rightpissedoff · 03/03/2011 18:37

Stata: I'm sorry: but what kind of contribution is this?

You really make no sense at all now. How very odd.

rightpissedoff · 03/03/2011 18:39

Seeker, you were desperate for those links. Desperate. Oh please, somebody, link me. You drummed your fingers, and refuesd to engage until you got those links.

And now you're -- what? Engaged in some kind of displacement quibbling?

Read the links you demanded so enthusiastically.

rightpissedoff · 03/03/2011 18:41

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StataLover · 03/03/2011 18:43

You didn't like it? Huh.

Well maybe this one will be better. It also made me smile.

Looking forward to seeing one about the Wakefield 'conspiracy'

silverfrog · 03/03/2011 18:44

no comments about the recent links, then stata?

Beachcomber has provided some very interesting links where the whole process is nicely spelt out.

but oyu prefer to search for pisstakes on youtube.

'nuff said, really.

rightpissedoff · 03/03/2011 18:44

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rightpissedoff · 03/03/2011 18:45

Quite unbelievable. "Show us the links, show us the links"

ok here are the links

"actually I'll look at this wanky thing someone made up instead"

are you twelve?

rightpissedoff · 03/03/2011 18:51

Run away dear. You said you were going to when it was "all going round in circles" when, actually, it wasn't -- new material was being discussed that you had now answers to, and new links being provided that were difficult for you to process.

And now you've come back with this incredibly insensitive crapola. Just run away like you promised you would.

StataLover · 03/03/2011 18:51

I adequately responded in my earlier post. I won't go round in circles and get drawn in to endless posts going nowhere.

Those videos were done by a pediatrician who is just sick of banging his head against a wall and seeing the damage that the anti-vaxers are doing to children. It demonstrates what the scientific community thinks of anti-vaxxers.

One point to add is that the expanding and evidence free Wakefield conspiracy on this thread is quite amusing. Because it couldn't be that the editor withdrew the monkey business paper (which was only in-press not yet fully published) because following the GMC finding of fraud, anything Wakefield touches is going to handled with great care. I know if I was found guilty of falsifying data, no editor worth his/her salt would touch anything that I produced. Even 'Thoughtful House' thought Wakefield was too much of a liability.

StataLover · 03/03/2011 18:53

I nearly forgot. This is a whole module that the Open U run on the MMR debate. It's very informative and accessible even if I don't agree 100% with all of it.

openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/oucontent/view.php?id=398720

rightpissedoff · 03/03/2011 18:55

Really? That was quick work. You responded to something before reading it? Now there's a talent. But then, if you don't know what constitutes evidence, and you've already made up your mind, I suppose it's possible.

rightpissedoff · 03/03/2011 18:56

I think you need to apologise for treating vaccine damage as a joke.

silverfrog · 03/03/2011 18:58

PMSL at that being "very informative" - when was it from? about 1985, if their stat of autism rising to "60 in 10,000" is anyhting to go by.

the current stats are 1 in 64 for the UK.

an exponential rise - often described as "epidemic"

oh, and it affects boys:girls in a 4:1 ratio, not a 10:1

so, without even getting around to the Wakefield stuff, it is seriously misleading...

StataLover · 03/03/2011 18:59

Huh. Is that right? Does the open university have shares in GSK?

rightpissedoff · 03/03/2011 19:00

You need to apologise for treating vaccine damage as a joke Stata.

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silverfrog · 03/03/2011 19:04

oddly, the timeline of important dates also doesn;t mention when the single vaccines were withdrawn form nhs choice.

would that be after the press conference, when it was suggested that people may like to exercise their right to choose?

wonder why that piece of information is missing...

silverfrog · 03/03/2011 19:08

oh, the OU can't tell the difference between a case series or a study either Hmm

yep, Stata - really great info there.

rightpissedoff · 03/03/2011 19:14

Seeker what do you think of the response(s) to your hypothetical question? I think you're putting on this pretence of being serious and interested, when really you're just snapping at the heels of debate trying to think of ways to score points. Who cares about points? You keep asking, and people keep responding, then you ignore the responses completely, and ignore the lins, and ignore the information. Seriously, I think you'll be back on the next thread saying exactly the same things, when you've been given a whole pile of responses right here.

StataLover · 03/03/2011 19:15

What is the difference? There are many different types of study. A case series is a type of study.

rightpissedoff · 03/03/2011 19:16

I think you need to apologise for treating vaccine damage victims as a joke Stata.

silverfrog · 03/03/2011 19:31

oh, this one is good - part of it claims that "when faced with the distressing experience of taking their child for vaccination, parents choose the path of least resistance" (I paraphrase slightly)

yes, that'll be it - I couldn't face taking my poor neglected second born to be pricked by nasty needles (when I hadn't cared at all with my precious first born...)

seriously?

there are actually people out there that don't bother to vaccinate because the needle will hurt?

(mind you, the nurse that administered the vaccines we didn't want to dd1 went by that reasoning. she woudln't listen to what we were actually saying (that the jab we didn't want was actually an unnecessary one for dd1) and just went ahead and did it anyway, and then told us off for "not wanting to hurt the baby" Hmm Angry)

StataLover · 03/03/2011 19:34

You do realise, rpo, that those youtube clips weren't laughing at genuine vaccine damage victims? You may have missed the point which might explain why you're so upset. They were mocking the pseudo-science anti-vax movement which exaggerates the dangers and potential side-effects of vaccines (and downplays their benefits).

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rightpissedoff · 03/03/2011 19:35

Don't you think it's worrying that this is "taught"?

Do you have teenagers, or even late primary agers silver? I have had to tutor mine to pass exams in this. No prizes for guessing the quickest way to fail.

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