vaccinations- mercury , aluminium and genetics

[Jimjams]

I received a paper today from Dr Bradstreet regarding mercury in vaccinaitons. I was having a browse to see whether I could find the paper on the net when I came across this. I think it is probably one of the best summaries I've read regarding MMR and autism.

Have a read:

www.ont-autism.uoguelph.ca/vax-autism-15nov02.html

Ignore the first 8 minutes of this- but listen to the rest all about thimerosil and autism numbers

US radio show about thimerosil and autism

The radio show has a bit about the UK system. It says that the UK vaccine schedule is the worst in the world for potentially causing autism. They estimate UK autism rates as 1 in 69. Its at about 27 minutes in the show......

TYhey then go on to talk about Wakefield.

sorry I'm listening to this- but the Wakefield bit sounds like something from a James Bond film (at about 31 minutes).

Now got to about 40 minutes through this interview- and it has a fairly depressing (but possibly realistic?) view of autism.

Is Wakefield the nuclear power station or am I just dim?

er no that's Sellafield!

Wakefield is Andy Wakefield- the one who lost his job at the Royal Free for suggesting that MMR should be given singly whilst they found out whether or not it can cause autism in susceptible children. He's the gastroenterologist who found vaccine strain measles virus in the guts of MMR damaged children. (He's not very popular with the government)

so I am just dim then Thank for explaining BTW I did know of Sellafield BTW I just thought Wakefield might be another one OMG whats wrong withme?

too much mercury in those vaccinations???

must be sorry for lowering the tone of your thread BTW (too many BTW in my previous post!)

Not lowering the tone at all. I still haven't finished the radio programme anyway...... Been watching the famous Andy Wakefield on BBC3.....

Im never gonna live this down am I?

I could call him Andy Sellafield Don't worry I lost any brain I ever had when I had kids.....

I've got mercury fillings though..... (and they were fiddled with by a cowboy dentist when I was pregnant with ds1- always wondered about that- paed refused to test mercury levels though- he's also in charge of the vaccination programme down here hmmmm)

well finally finished the radio interview. Very interesting. The interviewees are drs who have researched thimerosil. It was interesting as they are not anti vaccination at all (although they aren't very impressed with the UK system), but very very anti thimerosil. (They eblieve thimerosil has caused the autism epidemic and are publishing papers which say as much). They also said MMR should be used "sensibly" and singles should be available.

Good bits at 27, 31, 40 minutes and 2 hours (where they slag off the british govt). You can fast forward. Not sure where the MMR bit was - about 1 hour 30 I think.

Jimjams - thanks for posting all this information - it is more useful than any programs or literature i have read thus far! Interesting about the mercury in vaccinations...
I think you have swayed me away from the MMR (again) and I will persue a single measles jab...

Glad to see this thread has gone back to its more serious origins

Only just started thinking about this. We cancelled our DS's 8-week primary vaccines, but rescheduled for next week (12wks old). I think Polio and Men-c look ok, but DTP-Hib offered on the NHS has thimerosil and aluminum in it. I asked about separate jabs but my HV wasn't sure if they were available on the NHS or contained these components.

How do you request single MMR vaccines privately?

My brother told me that both autism and SIDS reduced dramatically in Japan when they changed their vaccination regime to 2yrs old rather than as babies (I think back in the 70's).

Does anyone know what is done in the US and Australia/NZ/Europe?

US give more vaccination but more spread out. The radio show link below talks about the US schedule (and says the UK is worse).

Aus and most of Europe have similar schedules to the UK as does Japan, but Aus and most of Europe are thimeorsil free.

Spain doesn't give MMR (at least they dodn't recently)

Scandinavian countries don't give pertussis.

Uk was the first - and at the time only -to introduce men C- I know the States gives it now, not sure whether other countries have followed.

I'd recommend listening to the radio show below or getting The Vaccination Guide- risks and benefits by Neudstader (spelling??). Or both.

The radio show features two drs - they are not anti vaccination- and in fact they recommend quite a few of the jabs- but they are all for safe vaccination. The vaccination guide is less keen on vaccination, but tells you the ways to minimise risks and does clearly define the benefits of vaccination as well.

BTW on the radio show they were particulalry scathing about the UK schedule as everything wa so close together (2, 3 and 4 momths) In the 80's the vaccinationswere more spread out. Basically it took a year to get the DTP and polio shots administered (and they were not given together it was either dtp or polio). There's nothing to stop you spreading out the shots more (a baby is at risk of pertussis, but not diptheria in the UK, or polio, and not really tetanus until walking).

Your brother is right about SIDS figures- not sure about autism though.

Some research hasshown that autism rates mirror the amount of thimerosil given so could well be true.

Thx Jimjams. I will listen to the radio show.

My brother also told me to take a look at this website:

www.vaccination.co.uk/information.htm

Thanks jimjams. I agree, it is one of the best summaries I've come across and I'm very grateful to have it. With a baby of 16 months, and a surgery printing out MMR reminders at me every few weeks, I'm in quite a quandary. I work in health research too and I've had my doubts for ages, as have most of my colleagues. The government misinformation is a puzzle, especially after BSE. On dear.

Karen99,

IN NZ the schedule is as follows:
6 wks DTap, Polio, Hib_HebB
3 months DTap, Polio, Hib_HepB
5 Months DTap, POlio, HepB
15 Months DTap/Hib and MMR
4 years DTap-Polio and MMR

I haven't made up my mind about MMR for our ds yet (still only 6 months so no rush) but I am nervous about having the other injection on top of the MMR. I presume I can have them done over 2 visits (though I may have to pay for one visit).

Droile- the govt misinformation isn't really a puzzle - they just have different priorities. Their interest is in public health- and more specifically infectious disease. TThey are not interested in your child. They see their responsibility as being protecting the public from infectious disease and they believe vaccination is the best way to do this (for some diseases it probably is, for others not necessarily). It's a shame really becuase if they asked themselves why chronic autoimmune conditions are escalating they would have to consider whether vaccinations are an issue (they may be they may not be) - and surely thats a public health isssue as well (just not one that people who work in publich health are interested in as their area is infectious disease iyswim.)

If you look only at infectious disease then in some cases vaccinations have been a great success. It just depends how narrow your viewpoint is. And as a mum you're interested in all aspects of your childs health iyswim.

Thanks Bob- that's really interesting and backs up the US radio show about the UK schedule being the worst in the world for hitting our kids with thimerosil. And of course your more spread out vaccines also are aP which means they were thimerosil free......

Jimjams you probably know this but if you dont here it is coz I instantly thought of you when I read it in the mirror yesterday.

HEALTH NEWS
A study of mercury levels in the baby hair of children later diagnosed with autism has produced startling results. The babies had far lower levels of mercury in their hair than other infants, leading to speculation autistic children either dont absorb mercury or more likely, cant excrete it.
But, while the findings suggest some children have a genetic fault that makes them far more susceptible to mercury poisoning, the results dont prove this.The difference in mercury levels in hair may be a sign of a more general problem dealing with metals.
(This is from Miriam Stoppards advice page)