vaccinations- mercury , aluminium and genetics

[Jimjams]

I received a paper today from Dr Bradstreet regarding mercury in vaccinaitons. I was having a browse to see whether I could find the paper on the net when I came across this. I think it is probably one of the best summaries I've read regarding MMR and autism.

Have a read:

www.ont-autism.uoguelph.ca/vax-autism-15nov02.html

Thanks Bobthebaby, do you know if DTaP is available on the NHS and which Hib vaccine goes hand in hand with it if DTP-Hib isn't given?

Haven't had a chance to listen to the radio program yet, but will this weekend whilst dh can babysit.

Managed to read the NHS thimerosal help sheet, but I couldn't find anything about the aluminum additives. Do you know of a link that shows what combination of jabs are available, the manufacture's name and ingredients?

I would like my ds to be vaccinated, but not before he is a year old or so (of course my mind keeps changing!). I'm not sure which combinations have been proven to show the least reactions for that age group..

How much have the jabs changed since we had them (talking about late 60's early 70's)?

Any further links appreciated.

This link has a lot of the manufacturers information sheets- not necessarily the brand that would be given - but it'll give you an idea of additives. IME surgeries are pretty helpful if you wanted to order in a specific brand. These things change all the time though so may be worth contacting the manufacturers direct.

If you are undecided I would really recommend the book The Vaccine Guide by Randall Neustaedter. He tells you the safe way to vaccinate iyswim.

I can tell you some stuff about the vaccination program in the 80's but I haven't got time at the moment. I'll try to dig out the info tomorrow.

Anybody else had an 'invite' for their child to take part in a study looking at antibody responses in children aged 2-3.5 to either a new meningococcal vaccine or a booster Hib vaccine?

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Personally wrt development of autism I would worry more about thimerosil than MMR for a child with no other risk factors.

Jimjams did you read the post I sent you on Tues on this thread. I didnt know where to put it but I thought of you when I read it in the paper.You probably already know about it but just in case you dont, I posted the article.

I did thanks doormat. I'm getting ds1's hair tested for all sorts of things soon (when I get round to it). I'm never quite sure how reliable the testing is though (it's going to the States). I will be interested to see.......

Thats good jimjams.I find it amazing how science never stops. It can be heartbreaking at the same time.Would you do me a favour or anyone else please, if you ever read anything new on the HYPOTHALAMUS can you please think of me and post it. Thanks.

JimJams ... could you explain what you meant about the dentist 'fiddling' with your fillings when you were pg with DS1?
Only because I am having major problems with one of my fillings ... I think it seriously needs replacing but I am very reluctant to go to the Dentist while I am pregnant (am 21 weeks and there is no free Dental care when pg in NZ ) in case they start 'fiddling' ...
Thanks ....

Thanks for the link Jimjams. DH is off work today, so I'll be looking through all of the links you've posted today. I think I'll invest in the book as both myself and brother are interested regarding our little ones.

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ghosty- he said the filling needed repairing or something and then coated it with some glass type substance- which seemed to involve some removing of the top layer (or at least thats what it felt like). It's hurt a bit ever since. The thing is this guy was a bit of a cowboy so I don't trust him ( ) If my lovely current dentist had done the work I would have trusted him iyswim. It's probably irrelevant- guess I'll never know....

Robinw- I'm getting the testing done through BIBIC and they use a place in the States, don't know why. A lot of the autism protocols seem to recommend labs in the states such as Great Smokeys - again I don't know why.

I'll certainly look out for hypothalamus stuff doormat. Anything in particular?

Karen- I wil dig out that info about the 80's schedule later today- promise.

Jimjams just anything new that comes up especially surgery, as ds has something wrong with his.Thanx very much.
I will stop hijacking this thread now. Sorry peeps.

karen - bit late but dug it out at last
the old schedule (this is from a book written in 1981, with a second impression in 1990)

during first year of life the following:

DTP (no age is given for this but I think it was around 3 or 4 months)

3 months later oral polio (OPV)

6-8 weeks later DTP and second OPV

4-6 months later DTP and second OPV

During the second year of life:

measles vaccine- and this is the bit that makes me laugh - not less than 3 weeks following another live vaccine

I think the schedule was similar during the 60's and 70's. They have swapped about a bit between oral polio and killed polio, and used different strains of things, but basically the same schedule I believe.

Many thanks Jimjams. Just ordered the book. DS is now 3 mo and still deciding what to do, particularly about the DTP-Hib jab.

Karen 99, I'm not sure if you have specific reasons for caution when it comes to immunisation other than it just being a scary and unpredictable thing. My daughter is 6 months old and has had her jabs, all thimerosil free though. I think its important to try to protect against tetanus etc but take as little risk as possible and I also know someone whose child died of meningitis. I decided to go ahead as long as the jabs are thimerosil free, she is well on the day, she doesn't get too many at once and I can space them out or split them up. I have an 8yr old son with severe autism, a sister with asppergers and a cousin with a son who is autistic but still decided to go ahead. I really don't know yet what we will do about MMR. We have the option not to have it but I am sure it didn't affect my son but then why take risks....... TG its a way off still. Let us know what you decide.

Hi Davros, which combination of thimerosil free jabs did you get done and were they all on the NHS? Was your GP/HV helpful? Do you think you'll consider single M,M,R jabs rather than MMR?

I would like to get some form of immunisation done, however, I'm still not sure which manufacturers etc to have and then if they aren't the standard ones what are the corresponding top-ups or boosters. I want to have the next four years of jabs planned out so that things don't get confused later down the line.

It's so difficult finding the time to complete my investigations. DH says he'll go along with whatever (thanks for the help!NOT!), but is definitely anti-thimerisol.

Davros, forgot to mention, we've got alot of allergies in my family and nephew also had a bad reaction to his primary jabs, so DS is my first child and his DS2 is due at Christmas. He said he's going to choose a different route this time round and we're both looking into this together.

any further help appreciated.

karen99, in view of the allergies etc I undestand why you would want to be cautious. I got Hiberix, Infanrix and Menjugate at the baby clinic at my GP's surgery. The nurse and GP were both fine and the GP independently suggested we don't have MMR but I'm not sure whether to not have it at all or go for separate jabs. If you look down the Health conversations there's another one called thimerosil

Thanks for this, Davros. I'll take a look at the link.

karen if you're thinking 4 years ahead it would be worth considering what you would do if they introduced varivax (chickenpox) they're always talking about introducing it- with the MMR I think (which is particularly stupid imo as catching wild chickenpox and mumps in the same year of life increases your risk of developing autism, but still). Might be worth reading up on varivax pros and cons anyway in case it does come in.

Great link Davros!

I think we'll decide to go with the thimerosil-free DTaP & Hib jabs and space them 3 months apart. Not sure about MenC at the moment. Did you have all three (Hiberix,Infanrix,Menjugate) given at the same time? plus the Polio?

Davros/Jimjams - What are your views on the activated vs inactivated polio jabs?

DS just started a cold... will have to wait a bit longer..

My views are that the polio jabs are unecessary in the UK. But that's just me.

The US swear by the killed polio, the UK the live polio. If someone on your household had an immune deficiency then I would be careful about giving live polio, otherwise there probably isn't much difference (live is meant to work slightly better, but who knows). In the UK over the last however many years the only cases of paralytic polio have been caused by the live jab. However, unless you have an immune deficieny then the risk of that is low. The advantage of the live vaccine over the killed from a holistic perspective is that it enters the body through the normal route for polio (so its not conning the immune system iyswim). I know that anthroposological doctors (no idea of spelling but the Rudolf Steiner doctors) think that is important. And I think they may actually recommend getting live polio (and I think but could be wrong that they also recommend tetanus- again its entering the body through its normal route - a puncture wound).

Swings and roundabouts as usual.