vaccinations- mercury , aluminium and genetics

[Jimjams]

I received a paper today from Dr Bradstreet regarding mercury in vaccinaitons. I was having a browse to see whether I could find the paper on the net when I came across this. I think it is probably one of the best summaries I've read regarding MMR and autism.

Have a read:

www.ont-autism.uoguelph.ca/vax-autism-15nov02.html

Thanks Jimjams.

Would you believe ds is now 5 months old and I still haven't made my mind up about the vaccinations... A few more questions if you don't mind:

-Do you know of a thimerosil free DT jab?
-What are the symptoms of pertussis and what can be done to cure it?
-Is IMOVAX Polio the dead polio? If not what is?
-Do other European countries administer the dead polio rather than the live vaccine?
-What do you think the risk would be of catching polio from a swimming pool or nursery nurse if an unvaccinated child comes into contact with the faeces of a recently vaccinated child?
-Could a teething temperature put the child at risk of a bad reaction, ie. does this suggest a lowered immune system?
-What would a non-vaccinated child be at risk of catching at nursery?
-What protection would one set of jabs give (since there are three primary sessions)?

Sorry for the long list

BTW, still reading the book, it's very good.

Ok I'll have a go at the ones I know

-Not to my knowledge- otherwise I may have given it to ds2 (I would like him to be protected against tetanus- buit not with mercury ta veyr much)
_pertussis leads to sever coughing- which can be so bad that the child becomes starved of oxygen. In practice it is nasty but manageable in children. It is dangerous in babies- especially iunder 6 months. However even in this group the mortality rate is very low. It is a nasty disease, but it is also a nasty vacine (according to the states the most dangerous of the childhood vaccinations) and I'm not convinced it works very well now. The new strain of pertussis seems to be less severe.
-Don;t know about IMOVAX
_NOt sure about european countries- just know the states uses dead polio.
-the risk of catching polio in a swimmingpool is abolsutely minimal- tinty tiny tiny -unless there are immune deficiencies- even then stil pretty small, but 1000's of times higher than a child with a normal immune sytem.

_No I think teething temps would be irrelevant. TBH temps are a good thing in the immune system anyway- having a temp after a vaccination at leats shows a response to the vaccination.

At a nursery? Hib, whooping cough and meningitis C. BUt menigitis C risk will be absolutely tiny tiny tiny, and hib and whooping cough will be higher but still not huge. Hib is probably the most problemtatic really.

It won't give give a great reposnse (well it could do but it would be unlikely to). The main problem with leaving a long gap is that you will increase your risk of allergic reactions to tetanus (I think) if you go ahead and give boosters at some stage.

Thanks Jimjams! Read this on Sat. morning, which was a great help. Unfortunately DS caught our bug (dh and I each had a 24hr thing this week) and I've only just had the chance to reply. Thankfully his temp started to go this lunchtime.

One last question, if we left the primary jabs until ds was a year old, would the initial 2,3,4 months jabs apply? IE, same makes and same dosage a month or so apart? And if you can point me towards any HIB/MenC documentation on the web that would be a help too. (Sorry did I say one last question??? I keep throwing them at you - sorry.)

Oh bother, I am so confused.
2yo DD is due to get a diptheria-tetanus-HIb-? jab tomorrow. This is meant as her HIb booster because she was immunised with the ineffective HIb vax originally. I am very happy for her to have HIb booster, not so happy about mercury preservative that seems to be mentioned in descripts of combined HIb-other stuff vax. The HV phoned up for me and was told the jab doesn't have Mercury/thimerosol... Is that right? Do I trust the HV or whoever HV spoke to? I am trying to understand these things, and it seems like the only combined diptheria-tetanus-HIb-whatever jab in use now is one called DTwp -- and I am getting the impression that that definitely does contain thimerosol...????

zebra- AFAIK (and things do change) the DTwP does contain thimerosil. I think at least some brands of single hib don't (but I would be interested to know what they replaced it with-eek). The best thing to do would be look at the ingredients before you allow them to jab.

Karen I think it would still be the same gap- athough in the States they leave 2 months between each jab.

Not sure about specifichib/men C documentation. I usually do a general google search. There is a book called "calling the shots" by Mary Alexander (best to buy direct from publishers- Jessica Kingsley- they have a webpage) - which is about one little girl's reaction to the Men C jab. A very moving book- and interesting as the mother moves from being totally pro- vaccination to completely confused. I wouldn't say it was an anti-vaccination book (i got the impression the mother would still like to vaccinate but is now too scared to). She talks quite a bit about the men C jab in the book though.

Thanks, Jimjams. the NHS own leaflets/website/everything insist that the single HIb vax in Britain does not and never has contained thimerosil. The appt. card puts down the combined jab, though; I had impression that some HAs are just using the combined jab as the HIb booster. But asking to look at the ingredients -- what an obvious solution! Why didn't I think of that? Although I can imagine HV hemming and hawing as he goes off to try to find the original packaging...

Thanks Jimjams.

Hi Zebra, You can also have a look at the NHS vaccination website for this leaflet . I found the manufacturer info useful and what does and doesn't contain thimerosil.

HTH