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General election 2024

I’m hearing Jeremy Corbyn is going to lose his seat

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noblegiraffe · 03/07/2024 12:14

If so, this is the election that just keeps on giving.

His refusal to stand down gave us Boris Johnson so it would be nothing less than he deserves.

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CurrentHun · 05/07/2024 18:08

Labour under Corbyn helped massively to give us Brexit by being him supportive of it which has been consistently bloody economically awful and divisive for this country.

Corbyn did not have the humility and recognition either that the issues people projected on to Brexit as a protest vote, were about the failure of successive governments including New Labour, to deal with economic inequality in the UK and the neglect of vast swathes of the country eg post industrial, coastal and rural areas, by successive New Lab and then Cameron governments.

By being very focused on metropolitan voters. Labour under Corbyn in general was a completely ineffective useless opposition to the emboldened pillaging and lying of the Tories. That long term lack of a viable alternative in Corbyn ultimately gave us Johnson, Truss and Sunak. Unforgivable.

For all of that fuckery and leaving us open to Tory exploitation as a country, when we really really needed an effective opposition, I don’t welcome Corbyn sticking around. As much as I am sure he’s individually a perfectly nice guy and I might agree with his stance on some issues. I don’t want to see Labour factionalising and infighting because he’s still there. We need a laser focus on delivery on public services improvements and showing economic growth and stability and green development.

Starmer’s victory has none of the euphoria of 1997 that I can see. I feel like we’re all totally ground down and knackered by 14 punishing years of the Tories. It’s also pissing with rain today. There’s none of the 97 ‘bliss it was in such a dawn to be alive, but to be young..’ etc today. Things are absolute shit for youngsters in the UK at the moment unless they have wealthy parents which is a constantly diminishing pool of people. It doesn’t feel exciting or aspirational. I can’t see any influx of champagne socialists and Cool Britannia parties under Starmer. (And I’m sorry that Debbonair as a potential culture sec lost in Bristol which is a shame).

The first few months are going to have to be about rebuilding and calming things down and desperately looking for a feel good factor, or at least the hope of it. Which many peoples’ lives are really very very far away from.

That uphill struggle aside, it is such a relief to have the promise of stability again. Just to have sober grown ups back in power in the UK is hopeful. Kier’s first Downing St address, talking about public service, respect for all, national stability, promising to govern in the 4 nations, and in the spirit of country before party, that hit all the right ‘responsible’ notes for me in today’s volatile times. It is so the complete opposite of what the Tories did and said. So it doesn’t matter that there’s not an uplifting D:ream theme tune. But it definitely places a vast expectation on government that they will deliver as promised.

TeamPineapple · 05/07/2024 22:00

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/07/2024 09:39

I am not a Labour Party member, nor ever will be, but wasn't it the case that Ed Miliband had misguidedly allowed a new policy that anybody could sign up for £5 and got voting rights immediately, so Corbyn was voted in by a lot of new people who turned out to be Momentum members? And a lot of those Momentum members did their level best to deselect sitting Labour MPs who didn't subscribe to the Momentum world view?

Not sure about this. A friend joined the Labour party to vote in JC and she wasn't able to vote as she hadn't been a member long enough. I can't remember how long they said one had to be a member before getting voting rights, but it was certainly more than a few months IIRC.

TryingToSeeTheFunnySide · 06/07/2024 04:53

CurrentHun · 05/07/2024 18:08

Labour under Corbyn helped massively to give us Brexit by being him supportive of it which has been consistently bloody economically awful and divisive for this country.

Corbyn did not have the humility and recognition either that the issues people projected on to Brexit as a protest vote, were about the failure of successive governments including New Labour, to deal with economic inequality in the UK and the neglect of vast swathes of the country eg post industrial, coastal and rural areas, by successive New Lab and then Cameron governments.

By being very focused on metropolitan voters. Labour under Corbyn in general was a completely ineffective useless opposition to the emboldened pillaging and lying of the Tories. That long term lack of a viable alternative in Corbyn ultimately gave us Johnson, Truss and Sunak. Unforgivable.

For all of that fuckery and leaving us open to Tory exploitation as a country, when we really really needed an effective opposition, I don’t welcome Corbyn sticking around. As much as I am sure he’s individually a perfectly nice guy and I might agree with his stance on some issues. I don’t want to see Labour factionalising and infighting because he’s still there. We need a laser focus on delivery on public services improvements and showing economic growth and stability and green development.

Starmer’s victory has none of the euphoria of 1997 that I can see. I feel like we’re all totally ground down and knackered by 14 punishing years of the Tories. It’s also pissing with rain today. There’s none of the 97 ‘bliss it was in such a dawn to be alive, but to be young..’ etc today. Things are absolute shit for youngsters in the UK at the moment unless they have wealthy parents which is a constantly diminishing pool of people. It doesn’t feel exciting or aspirational. I can’t see any influx of champagne socialists and Cool Britannia parties under Starmer. (And I’m sorry that Debbonair as a potential culture sec lost in Bristol which is a shame).

The first few months are going to have to be about rebuilding and calming things down and desperately looking for a feel good factor, or at least the hope of it. Which many peoples’ lives are really very very far away from.

That uphill struggle aside, it is such a relief to have the promise of stability again. Just to have sober grown ups back in power in the UK is hopeful. Kier’s first Downing St address, talking about public service, respect for all, national stability, promising to govern in the 4 nations, and in the spirit of country before party, that hit all the right ‘responsible’ notes for me in today’s volatile times. It is so the complete opposite of what the Tories did and said. So it doesn’t matter that there’s not an uplifting D:ream theme tune. But it definitely places a vast expectation on government that they will deliver as promised.

Jeremy Corbyn is so unfairly blamed for so much.
I voted Remain, but actually think Brexit was going to happen, no matter what. Decades of the EU being blamed for everything, in the gutter press. Enough people had long made up their minds.
Yes, things are awful for the young, which is why there was a Jeremy Corbyn youth quake in 2017. He and the Labour manifesto then, offered very real hope. You know there was a political machine working tirelessly to discredit him? Blame them for the Tory victory in 2019. Not JC.
Re the lack of excitement about Labour's victory now compared with 1997. I agree with you there. I was very young in 1997, but I've seen the footage, and remember the atmosphere in the following days. For my own part, I can say I'm very glad to see the back of the Tories; but tbh, not at all excited by Starmer's Labour. I honestly don't think there'll be much change. So, I for one, am very glad there'll be some strong left-wing voices, such as Jeremy Corbyn and the new Greens to hold parliament and the government to account.

Btw, the other reason I think there's little excitement now compared with 1997 is that people were so let down by the Blair project. People who voted for Labour in 1997, in good faith, watched a supposed Labour prime minister lead the country into an illegal war which left the entire world a more dangerous place. Red Tories give moral left-wing people the ick. Been there done that etc.

The exceptionally low turnout shows how uninspiring it is/was.

Anyway, we are where we are. So much remains to be seen. I'll certainly give the new government a chance. We'll see what the electorate's judgement is in 4 or 5 years time. I'm personally hoping The Green Party will become a much stronger force in British politics, and may be able to pick up 10+ seats next time. The climate emergency needs them.

Btw, one of the reasons I'm so turned off the current Labour Party is that instead of pouring their resources into places like Clacton to challenge Reform. They threw a crazy amount of resources into Islington North, Brighton Pavilion, Bristol Central etc. They were trying to defeat their left-wing opposition in those places. It was perverse. I'm overjoyed to see JC, Sian Berry and Carla Denyer win those seats respectively, and to win them comfortably too 😊

karenesoum · 06/07/2024 12:43

There is nothing racist about Jeremy Corbyn, not everyone likes his politics but he so didn't deserve to be called a racist. Well done the people of Islington North for re-electing him, it made my night.

noblegiraffe · 06/07/2024 12:53

Racism (antisemitism) flourished in his party on his watch. And when an independent report showed this was an issue, he insisted that the problem was overstated.

That's not acceptable.

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TheShellBeach · 06/07/2024 13:01

noblegiraffe · 06/07/2024 12:53

Racism (antisemitism) flourished in his party on his watch. And when an independent report showed this was an issue, he insisted that the problem was overstated.

That's not acceptable.

I truly believe that he was the victim of a smear campaign.

noblegiraffe · 06/07/2024 13:02

TheShellBeach · 06/07/2024 13:01

I truly believe that he was the victim of a smear campaign.

And I spent a week (it was a February half term, I think) looking into exactly what was being said, done and posted, and I came out of that week with my faith in humanity severely battered and sick to my stomach.

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headstone · 06/07/2024 13:10

I wonder if your faith in humanity was ever battered the UK selling arms to countries such as Israel and Saudi Arabia , things Jeremy has been fighting to end. That lead to thousands of civilians dead , including children having amputations without anaesthesia.

noblegiraffe · 06/07/2024 13:11

Absolutey batshit response.

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79Helene · 06/07/2024 13:12

TheShellBeach · 06/07/2024 13:01

I truly believe that he was the victim of a smear campaign.

Do you have personal experience of being on the receiving end of antisemitism (I do), that gives you the confidence to identify what is and isn't antisemitism, and thereby conclude it was a smear campaign?

I, as a Jewish person, truly believe he actively enabled and accommodated antisemites, and caused significant distress among the Jewish community. And still we have people trying to make out we're liars and it was all a smear.

Pipsquiggle · 06/07/2024 21:21

ConnieCounter · 05/07/2024 14:02

Yes because Reform split the Conservative vote. Not because Labour got more votes under Starmer. Labour got a landslide yesterday because of hatred of the Conservatives not because people think Keir is a wonderful leader.

Also Labour lost twice under Corbyn because he split the labour party (momentum et al) and labour voters. Lots of people just didn't want to vote for Corbyn

Do you see a pattern, parties win when they are close to the centre and united.

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