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General election 2024

Middle class biological women prepare to be relegated to being second class citizens by the end of the week

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Mycatsmudge · 01/07/2024 09:38

The Labour Party is expected to win a huge majority in the GE on Thursday. My fears are their stance on trans rights which are being prioritised over those of biological women and this will risk our safety, opportunities and dignity. I also work in the NHS and read what is happening to the nurses in Darlington with horror.

My other concern is they have not been transparent on their plans on how to raise money for their spending pledges other than say they will invest and reap the benefit of green technology. This is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. I can only conclude we will be taxed even more but stealthy.

Then I read this in their manifesto:
‘Expansion of the Equality Act 2010Labour will implement the socioeconomic protected characteristic of the Equality Act, also the socioeconomic duty under Section 1 of the Equality Act and ensure equality impact assessments of government policy are conducted.5 Jun 2024’
To me this means richer areas will get less money from government for public services than poorer areas. I live in an area which is very boringly middle class but our public services are already cut to the bone(bin collections fortnightly, potholes left for months, all adult evening classes gone) but we still pay a hefty amount of council tax.

So under a Labour government I as a biological woman, working in the NHS on the frontline and will be expected to share our women’s changing rooms with any man with a GRC. I will probably be taxed more as a higher rate taxpayer because the tax bands have stayed static for years and I will expect less public services because I live in the suburbs but my council taxes will most likely increase just to sustain what we already have

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/07/2024 19:32

VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 19:28

I don't think Streeting will ever be leader. People don't trust him.

I love him and trust him absolutely.

LlynTegid · 01/07/2024 19:34

HauntedPollingBooth · 01/07/2024 18:32

How is "less bureaucratic" not easier?

The % granted is already at 95%. This really isn't a hill worth dying for.
It's certainly not worth choosing the Tories instead, with their dreadful stance on PIP and support for the disabled in general.

If that is the case, then perhaps more focus should be on the men who do not wish to transgender who cause harm to women. Such as actually bringing rapists to court and prosecuting them in weeks/months not years if at all.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:36

VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 19:28

I don't think Streeting will ever be leader. People don't trust him.

Do people trust anyone?

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 19:39

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:36

Do people trust anyone?

Yes. I trust the shadow cabinet to pull us back from the brink and make the country worth living in again.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:40

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 19:39

Yes. I trust the shadow cabinet to pull us back from the brink and make the country worth living in again.

Desperate people will believe anything, unfortunately.

ActivePeony · 01/07/2024 19:40

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/07/2024 19:32

I love him and trust him absolutely.

😂

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 19:41

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:40

Desperate people will believe anything, unfortunately.

They will. And trust me after 14 years of Tory hell there are millions of desperate people.

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 19:41

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:40

Desperate people will believe anything, unfortunately.

They will. Some seem to be under the impression that, after 14 years of proving otherwise, the Tories care about women.

CassieMaddox · 01/07/2024 19:41

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:40

Desperate people will believe anything, unfortunately.

😂
The only desperate people around here are the Tories

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:43

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 19:41

They will. Some seem to be under the impression that, after 14 years of proving otherwise, the Tories care about women.

I don't believe the Tories care about women. I believe they care about votes, and have correctly identified gender wankery as a flaw in Labour's armour.

That doesn't change the fact that Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and the Greens all clearly despise women.

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 19:47

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:43

I don't believe the Tories care about women. I believe they care about votes, and have correctly identified gender wankery as a flaw in Labour's armour.

That doesn't change the fact that Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and the Greens all clearly despise women.

Given Labours history of improving women's lives, that's not the case. I agree, the Tories don't care about women and they're using this simply to garner votes. Any promises will be swiftly forgotten after the election.

VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 19:47

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:43

I don't believe the Tories care about women. I believe they care about votes, and have correctly identified gender wankery as a flaw in Labour's armour.

That doesn't change the fact that Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and the Greens all clearly despise women.

That is an opinion not a fact and millions of women don't agree with you.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:49

VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 19:47

That is an opinion not a fact and millions of women don't agree with you.

I'm sorry but if you think women with penises are more deserving of basic rights than women without penises, that's just "men are more important than women, but make it woke".

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:49

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 19:47

Given Labours history of improving women's lives, that's not the case. I agree, the Tories don't care about women and they're using this simply to garner votes. Any promises will be swiftly forgotten after the election.

Labour have been out of power since 2010, when none of this was a thing. They haven't exactly done much to improve women's lives since then, have they?

VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 19:53

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:49

I'm sorry but if you think women with penises are more deserving of basic rights than women without penises, that's just "men are more important than women, but make it woke".

You are putting words in my mouth. I did not say anything like that.

I will repeat what I did say:

millions of women don't agree with your opinion that Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and Greens despise women.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:55

VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 19:53

You are putting words in my mouth. I did not say anything like that.

I will repeat what I did say:

millions of women don't agree with your opinion that Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and Greens despise women.

I didn't say you said that.

That is what those parties believe. They've said it time and time again, through their words and their deeds. Trans people are the most oppressed and vulnerable. A trans woman's "right" to affirm their gender identity by using women's spaces trumps women's right for those spaces to be single sex. If you disagree you're a horrible bigot whose views can be safely ignored.

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 19:56

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:49

Labour have been out of power since 2010, when none of this was a thing. They haven't exactly done much to improve women's lives since then, have they?

No, because, as you so astutely pointed out, they’ve been out of power. What could they do?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:58

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 19:56

No, because, as you so astutely pointed out, they’ve been out of power. What could they do?

So they haven't improved women's lives then.

Scentedjasmin · 01/07/2024 20:00

CraftyNavySeal · 01/07/2024 09:44

Under the Tories women have been murdered due to cuts to probation services and policing, women and children have been forced into poverty and made dependent on food banks.

As much as I think genderwang is bollocks I think women will be fine seeing a trans woman in the bathroom occasionally

Oh yes, of course we will! I loved it recently when a whole group of men dressed as women in female fetish clothing all entered the toilets where my 3 year old daughter was about to use the toilet. There was not enough room for me in the cubicle with her so i had the door opened. She refused to go and we had to leave. We couldn't go for ice cream afterwards as she needed the loo and there was no where else to go. So we had to drive home. She wet herself before we got there. I was also really appreciated being in a small confined toilet area with 6-8 blokes, having previously neen sexually assaulted in a toilet by a male stranger who followed me in.

I for one will not be getting used to it and neither should i have to.

I agree with your other points though.

HauntedPollingBooth · 01/07/2024 20:00

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:58

So they haven't improved women's lives then.

Between 1997 and 2010 Labour brought in rafts of policy that benefited women. Within the current financial constraints, there is no reason to suppose they will not do that again. It's only people for whom self ID is the sole thing that matters on the entire political agenda and in the entire UK for whom this is difficult to grasp.

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 20:02

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:58

So they haven't improved women's lives then.

Of course they have. Who do you think passed the Equal Pay Act? You qualified your original question.

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 20:03

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 19:58

So they haven't improved women's lives then.

They did when they were in power. I agree that all the parties have been wrong regarding this. Labour could have spoken out more and a few of their MPs are high on Kool aid.

VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 20:03

BIossomtoes · 01/07/2024 20:02

Of course they have. Who do you think passed the Equal Pay Act? You qualified your original question.

And who made marital rape illegal?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 20:09

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 20:03

They did when they were in power. I agree that all the parties have been wrong regarding this. Labour could have spoken out more and a few of their MPs are high on Kool aid.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Opposition_Shadow_Cabinet_(United_Kingdom)

This is the most recent shadow cabinet.

If you click on their names you will see that only a tiny handful were first elected prior to 2010, which means that the vast majority of them have zero experience of being in government.

The Labour government that did some good things (and some bad things, let's be honest) between 1997 and 2010 was made up of completely different people. Very few people in the Labour party today can take any credit for any of it.

But David Lammy was there so he can take credit for the most misogynistic part of the Gender Recognition Act, which he specifically fought for in parliament.

Official Opposition Shadow Cabinet (United Kingdom) - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Opposition_Shadow_Cabinet_(United_Kingdom)

VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 20:14

Oh for God's sake. Of course they weren't all in power between 1997 and 2010. But some were. Yvette Cooper was there from the start