REFORM Party Questions.....

[Modernfamily2011]

Genuine question here, I do not want to start arguments but i'm honestly curious as to the hate for the Reform party....... I will be the first to admit that politics is absolutely not my strong point but this Election and for the last few months I have been doing a lot of research

I will not be voting Conservatives but Labour don't fill me with any confidence either, the Reform party Manifesto actually looks good, I would love the minimum income tax rate to be raised, Stamp Duty threshold to be higher, NHS change, energy bills to be lower etc

Am I just a little naïve and is this just a case of Farage talking nonsense? A bit like the Brexit debacle? Surely if these policies could have been implemented then they would have and where would the money come from? Farage is an excellent speaker and he knows how to play the public, there is no doubt about that

I would love some insight from those who know a little more about politics than me!

There you go with Labour. That is the worry they would let everyone in whilst babbling racism. They are up for equality but it seems the equality is to bring people down. There needs to be a balance with immigration. Unless people do not mind we would just become like the countries this people are running from. Some of them with quite dangerous ideas as well.

Farage is seizing the opportunity or planting the seed for the next elections. He knows people are about to have enough of the two main parties. However, his party manifesto is not bad. A lot of people would vote for it. May be more like further down when the shit hits the fan with Labour.

His party manifesto is not bad

What do you like about it and how is it funded?

In case it held the previous poster, the UK joined the EU in 1973..

Nope we joined the EEC in 73. This became the EU in 92 (or 93?) when Major signed the Maastricht treaty and essentially EEC went from being a trading body to more of a poltical body under the EU. Problems with democratic legitimacy of the EU go back to then - I remember at the time thinking we should have a referendum.

Eh?
The Tory party have allowed immigration to spiral because of their increase in legal migration.
labour have said they will deal with the backlog built under the Tory government to resolve claims by asylum seekers currently held in limbo .
They have also said they will work to get rid of the people smuggling gangs which will help to stop the small boats crisis.

@IClaudine and those believing Farage really haven't grasped what kind of a man he is- his 'manifesto' isnt doable - it's about 30 billion short- and leaving the ECHR causes other issues- not just about immigration- the team behind him area bunch of regressive weirdos , many who have a history if support of the BNP etc - I appreciate that some places have changed beyond recognition-and people are frustrated but I think the very people likely to vote that way are going to be sadly let down if they think he would make a difference- He is just angling to take over the Tory's- with Farage it's all about the cash- this is the chap who charged people to be candidates and stood them down close to 2019 election- charged people to go on a march- did a few miles and left them too it- he's an arse- just one who plays on ordinary people's insecurities -

Only if you consider the rancid smell of beer and stale fags fresh.

@Summernightsinthe21stcentury indeed- what do they think Farage will do- stand on the coast with a team taking pot shots at the boats. ?? We didn't have this issue pre Brexit- he caused the issue !!

Ok whatever, but we have consistently been part of the European community in all its forms from 1973 until we left in 2020.
So many parties in government, so many years. Then hate got involved, thanks in part to that MEP Farage and we are where we are today.
A recent poll I saw said 93% of us think that was a mistake! (Think it was a poll by GB news they couldn’t publish!)

Not that well. It was 93 that the Maastricht treaty was signed, but that only extended what started in 1951, and we joined in 73.

Ironic that one of its aims was to reduce tensions after the war, and now we have people like Farage showing the same sort of dissent.

If you are following the thread I was a replying to the person specifically saying about a Labour councillor. Let’s have this convo in two years if Labour comes in. They have not given much details of how they plan to do it anyway.

Tories have indeed allow masses of immigrants. They out pretty similar and spineless like Labour.

I like the immigration stance and the incentives to small business. The manifesto it is not extreme or I may definitely be racist?

Good ideas can be achieved by taxes. At least I am happier to pay taxes for this. I find KS more cruel and hateful with the taxing of middle class private school parents. Unfortunately, Farage is not to be trusted but main parties could have a manifesto like that and they would get my vote.

And I mean tax the VERY wealthy and big companies not the middle class workers that have been paying for all until now.

In the interests of factual accuracy I would like to point out that Reform Ltd in their "contract" are happy with essential migration, which means they intend migration to stay at roughly current levels.

Do you have a view on Reform Ltd's changes to employment rights and how they might impact the middle classes?

Exactly. And yet people still believe they would stop it.

The biggest standout for me from Reform Ltd contract (which they know they'll never have to stand by) is that they won't cut services but they will cut budgets. Magic! Again they can say whatever because they will never have to prove it.

Smart immigration is fine. We need a balance.

Explain which ones? Manifesto below and summary from the BBC

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/reformuk/pages/253/attachments/original/1718625371/Reform_UK_Our_Contract_with_You.pdf?1718625

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqll1edxgw4o

Private schools are not a necessity. Fleeing danger is. I thought Labour had been going on about being the party of business.

This is new New Labour which I'm not keen on but they are at least a party and not a business. I still don't know how a business that is full of people that idolise the nazis and wants state control can even be running in an election.

It is also best to read all the policies and not cherry pick those you like while disregarding the others.

The main parties won't write a manifesto like reform because they have this idea that people expect it to be believable, for them to demonstrate financial capability not just a wish list

So you are happy with the current levels of migration, which also appears to be Reform Ltd's position?

Exactly.

He manifesto does not add up by billions as confirmed by the financial fiscal committee. He knows it but does not care as long as it starts to grow some support. Apparently if he even came close to winning an election with that manifesto the effect on the economy and markets would make the Liz Truss budget farce look minor.

I can't believe people fall for his crap now. He ran off the minute Brexit was decided rather than assist it something he play a huge part in. He lies have all come out from that where's all the extra for the NHS?

He blames immigration for everything because he is basically a racist. Brexit has actually proven we need immigration and we are not better off out of the EU.

I have not read they said current levels of immigration but I thought people were saying they are far left racist only looking to have British people here and white supremacy? Anyway, I think the main parties could have had some of these policies as a winner for all. Rather than siding with one size of the population and against the middle class and the general interest of our own country.
Unless, we want to be third world which is of course where we are heading. I will stop now because I said everything and need to work.