REFORM Party Questions.....

[Modernfamily2011]

Genuine question here, I do not want to start arguments but i'm honestly curious as to the hate for the Reform party....... I will be the first to admit that politics is absolutely not my strong point but this Election and for the last few months I have been doing a lot of research

I will not be voting Conservatives but Labour don't fill me with any confidence either, the Reform party Manifesto actually looks good, I would love the minimum income tax rate to be raised, Stamp Duty threshold to be higher, NHS change, energy bills to be lower etc

Am I just a little naïve and is this just a case of Farage talking nonsense? A bit like the Brexit debacle? Surely if these policies could have been implemented then they would have and where would the money come from? Farage is an excellent speaker and he knows how to play the public, there is no doubt about that

I would love some insight from those who know a little more about politics than me!

He ran off the minute Brexit was decided rather than assist it

I have every confidence he will run off again, even if he gets elected this time. With occasional reappearance for BBCQT.

Many photos of him surfacing where he's at NF events etc. Shame we never learn from history and things like the rise of hitler and how it came about. People agreeing to things that led to them basically being prisoners of the state and executed if they tried to escape or work against it in any way.
Frightening.

Perhaps starting with the part where they say scrap employment laws?
Or "We must make it easier to hire and fire"?

Helpfully a previous poster linked to the Reform Ltd contract, take a read of it and then you will see that they say they will continue with the current levels of migration.

Are the middle classes keen on the scrapping of employment rights?

Yes, people would see this. He has the 350 million NHS promise. If he is so racist how is he keeping the current levels of immigration?

What do you mean by "far left racists" @Triestre ? I'm struggling to understand some of the things you've written, apologies.

Labour is going to win but the boogeyman Farage would be their worst nightmare. Prepare to be busy with those keyboards 🤣

Farage would be most peoples worst nightmare to be fair. I'd rather dunk my head in boiling acid than listen to him.

Is that because those who would vote Labour are quite keen to have human rights as established by Churchill and others after the second world war?

I meant to write far right racists as that is what Reform members are called . Editing failure.
Next time quote as it is easier to see.

It’s like Jackanory for adults and there is no more substance to what he is calling his manifesto than there is in any of the pages of the books read on Jackanory - there doesn’t need to be as he knows he won’t get in and is making it all up to send as many ripples as he can through UK politics as he feels the country he professes to love is being ruined by immigrants and women’s rights.

Given he claims to admire Putin and is pushing gas usage in his Jackanory manifesto it isn’t too much of a leap to start to imagine that we are seeing Putin trying to mess with UK politics as he is thought to have done in the past.

But it is a free country and of people are happy to ignore what happened when we elected a PM with the reputation for being a liar then they are free too.

Nah that has been abused.

We need moved on and to keep up with the times. Even Churchill would agreed.

I absolutely agree. Hitler didn’t come to power overnight, it took him years and even once he got into government in the early thirties it wasn’t a majority, he had to form a coalition with the Communist Party. Once he had his feet under the table he saw off any opposition by murdering them or sending them to camps, and passed laws to become a dictator.

Just like Farage, the Nazis weren’t shy in their views. Post war, the German people said “Don’t blame us, we didn’t know he was so evil. We just thought he’d fix the economy and build some shiny new motorways“.

Of course they knew. They just chose to ignore the massive clues that the Nazis were evil because they were enticed by the other stuff. Just like Reform supporters today. Just like Brexit. “Oh don’t blame us, we were lied to”. Yes you were, but you also had the other side telling you that you were being lied to, and you chose not to listen, even though it was blindingly obvious. And people are falling for him all over again, despite him being a proven racist, liar, philanderer, expenses cheat and all round scoundrel.

Labour is going to win, and have such a big majority Farage will have no impact from his 1 seat.

He'll probably struggle on for a year as an MP and then stand down when actually having to do some work gets boring.

Bit bossy, but okay.

@Triestre before we move onto human rights, have you had a chance to work out why you think the middle classes would like the scrapping of their employment rights?
For example, having one day off a week, 48hour working week. 11 hour rest period between shifts?

I am quite a fan of the right not to be abused by the government or being imprisoned without due process?
Why would you want that changing?

But isn’t Farage expected to be a bad person so what do you expect? But holier than you KS shafting to kids in private schools is surprising. Very telling of how things would become with Labour.

Shafting kids who are privileged by .. making their parents pay tax on things they buy

I can't sob for them

We need money to give all children the opportunities currently only given to the rich. He's not closing your schools he's rebalancing wealth and if you don't think your are wealthy I think that shows this society isn't rewarding the brightest and best

He’s a clever man who has some extreme people behind him; two candidates who claimed their admiration of Hitler last week. Those are just the stupid ones who have no filter and are bolder because of the election.

They won’t be the government but anyone who thinks the mainstream will not be affected is wrong. Our society is looking socially right wing while voting for well funded public services. Labour have to deliver that; expect some quite tough immigration policies. The point about Reform is not to win, it’s to change the mainstream. If that doesn’t happen then the next election will be more extreme. Labour may win with big majority but who sets the tone? Farage is keen It’s him; if he stays around of course.

"? But holier than you KS shafting to kids in private schools is surprising. Very telling of how things would become with Labour."

Oh yes "shafting" by making their parents pay 15% VAT on a service which is optional to buy.

Won't someone please think of the children?

There were some posters yesterday complaining that no one would debate with them about Reform Ltd.

Could it be that the reason there has been no debate is because those who profess to support Reform Ltd have a remarkably limited knowledge of the companies policies?

I am not sure why the supporters of Reform Ltd seem reluctant to talk about the effects of scrapping employment laws. At the point when their parents have no job stability and can be fired for no reason at any time, are children going to be better off?

@Triestre

Oh the bitterness is showing.

I teach in a private school honey, I don't hate private school kids or their parents. I do dislike some of the behaviour or PE parents here.