REFORM Party Questions.....

[Modernfamily2011]

Genuine question here, I do not want to start arguments but i'm honestly curious as to the hate for the Reform party....... I will be the first to admit that politics is absolutely not my strong point but this Election and for the last few months I have been doing a lot of research

I will not be voting Conservatives but Labour don't fill me with any confidence either, the Reform party Manifesto actually looks good, I would love the minimum income tax rate to be raised, Stamp Duty threshold to be higher, NHS change, energy bills to be lower etc

Am I just a little naïve and is this just a case of Farage talking nonsense? A bit like the Brexit debacle? Surely if these policies could have been implemented then they would have and where would the money come from? Farage is an excellent speaker and he knows how to play the public, there is no doubt about that

I would love some insight from those who know a little more about politics than me!

@Gall10 my husband has said the same about PR -

And part of the reason for those huge rises in the cost of living is Brexit.

Why would the person who was instrumental in causing Brexit and the horrific mess our country has subsequently become, be the person to be able to sort it out? He literally caused half of it.

The only possible reason is because you (or the person/people bankrolling you) do not want individuals to challenge the state.

They want to be the controlling power over us just like Farage is the controlling power over Reform UK. Nobody can question him. That's bad isn't it.

@Lovesstaggbeetle People come to their pov for so many reasons: how is it nesecary to try to understand that view?
It's their view and so be it!

Theoretical scenario; e.g. say you're N. American and your husband voted for Trump. And, say, you think Trump is an odious piece of shit. It's not necessary to understand your husband, you could just privately judge him.

92 just said that remember it well.

Sorry @Churchview are you saying now we are not in the EU we don't have maternity rights? Don't think you have that right????

Op Mumsnet is the last place I would look for political information- people on here really don't have their finger on the pulse, they're the sort of middle class people that were surprised by Brexit and probably haven't noticed yet that their beloved EU is turning right!

So it is rather redundant (some might say misleading) to say we only joined the EU in 1992, if the EU was formed in 1992.

Sorry, I didn't have time to read the whole thread, but wanted to contribute this video about Farage, in case it hasn't been posted.

https://x.com/ByDonkeys/status/1797651718852804923

@Modernfamily2011 Am I just a little naïve and is this just a case of Farage talking nonsense? A bit like the Brexit debacle?

Ask yourself how much better off you are than in 2016, and, do you think that, after Brexit, the NHS received £350M a week, like it said on the bus?

Yes, you are fucking naive.

This thread is about a company that would like to remove those maternity rights, to benefit its shareholders.

Where did churchview say that @Northernnature ??

They've said NF wants to remove those rights. As it stands we still have them.

@Modernfamily2011 you are correct that Farage has a good ability to say the things some people want to hear. He is a good speaker and has charisma. That's about where the positives end unfortunately. Hitler also had charisma and that didn't go so well.

The origins or Reform UK are mainly UKIP which had a good many ties to the BNP. Although UKIP made a great show of banning anyone with ties to the BNP, it is a matter of public record that Farage hung around with them. A lot. So did many of the others.

As for his policies, the numbers don't stack up. £5 in every hundred works out to the £50bn he promises, but when you deduct the things he says he won't touch, it ends up more like £30bn. That leaves him with a bigger gap than Truss had in her accounting, and that didn't go so well for her.

Farage is also a proven liar. He promised he'd leave the UK if Brexshit was a failure. He's still here despite having made sure he has a German passport which he applied for the day after the referendum result, so confident was he of Brexshit being a success. Unless of course he thinks Brexshit was a success, but that isn't what he has said publicly.

There is a good chance he will take many votes away from the Conservative Party which is a good thing. He may even with a seat or two, however the chances of him forming a government are very slim as Reform are not fielding candidates in all constituencies, and he would have to have such a monumental success rate it is, statistically, hugely unlikely. I know one should never discount anything, but let's say he takes 50% of Tory votes, it isn't enough.

You should vote for whoever you feel best represents your views. Do your own research, but do proper research and don't just rely on mumsnet please. Everything I have said about him above is independently verifiable, please do the same with anything you hear on here.

The welfare stuff scares me. If you become unemployed you must find a job within 4 months or lose your benefits.

For someone like me, a highly skilled professional in a shortage profession, that isn't going to be a problem.

However, then I think of the people I work for - kids with SEN, who grow up to become adults with SEN. Adults with poor literacy skills, poor executive functioning, poor organisation. Adults who struggle with personal care or social interactions. Adults who often are theoretically capable of working, IF they could find an employer who is prepared to take a chance on them. But many cannot find these employers, especially if they rely on public transport or live rurally. And the thought of removing benefits from such people is just horrific. I am not talking about people who are seriously disabled and who are going to be getting PiP or living in sheltered accommodation. I am talking about vulnerable people who are low skilled ordinary people who just need a bit more help in life.

@RogueFemale yes nhs spending has gone up in last few years, can't be arsed to Google it but you are welcome to. It is of course skewed by the Covid years. I personally do not want to spend more on the black hole of the NHS it is a bad finding model and having worked as an accountant in the NHS I know there is alot of waste. We need to switch to a European style system (ironically Farage has this in his "contract" but folk that love the EU don't never seem to want to copy this aspect!).

No. I know full well we retain those rights now.
Reform UK are saying they want to reverse the rights that we gained in the EU. My original post was very clear on that.

More candidates you can vote for

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/reform-uk-candidates-facebook-friends-fascist-leader-gary-raikes-b1163853.html

Why not try to better understand the people who come to different conclusions? To understand their experiences and priorities and values?

I much prefer trying to put myself in another's shoes and better understand what's important to them and is driving their politics.

That's why I asked the poster why she thought Farage would make a great LOTO - I really wanted to understand what qualities and actions she prioritises or wants in an opposition leader as they seem so different from my own; I find it both interesting and useful.

Ultimately common ground is better than entrenched tribalism; the best way to find common ground is to understand where someone else is coming from.

@Summerflames yes @Churchview said we had all those rights via the EU. So I'm assuming if that's right the evil Tories would have withdrawn those rights now we're not in the EU. Or could it be that we would have had them anyway and we are perfectly capable as a country of our own laws etc???

Here's exactly what I said earlier...

Reform UK are likely to be a bad choice if women's rights are important to you.
Their aim to remove EU legislation will impact on maternity rights.

Know your enemy and all that.

Yup. Farage professed that he left UKIP because it became too Far-Right….then he sets up a new party and welcomes in a bunch of people to stand as candidates who, among other things, celebrate Hitler and the BNP (as well as expressing extremely racist views).

Yes, they are now belatedly kicking out some of those candidates and a lot of others remain under investigation but why are they not properly vetting them in the first place?

Thanks jassy for your explanation.

When I read such comments it doesn't sound like the person does genuinely want to understand though and I can't understand how hard it is to understand that each and every one of us will be driven by different knowledge and experience to the same, similar or wildly different views and goals.

It almost sounds like you see :" I can't understand that people think differently to me.".

This is one of Rish! biggest problems. He has not concept of people outside of his bubble.

Which European country's system is similar to the one proposed in the contract? What's being proposed feels like a bit of a no man's land in terms of a funding/operating model but I may be wrong.

I'm still fascinated to know how he'll end the staff shortages within 100 days. I think there's some good stuff in there on student debt etc for healthcare workers that would be decent long term reforms but there's a lot that is fundamentally undeliverable even in a full Parliament, let alone in the early days. The price tag also seems optimistic.