Nope to labour

[Mrsdeehoang]

I was considering voting for Labour, but their manifesto proposal to change the VAT on private education has made me reconsider. I'm not financially well-off, just about managing, and I took on two jobs to afford the fees for my son’s private grammar school. Despite our efforts, he couldn’t get a place in any of the five local state schools due to oversubscription, and our appeal was unsuccessful. We were instead assigned a school outside our area with a poor Ofsted report. Faced with this choice, I opted to work harder to provide him with a better education privately. The proposed VAT changes would make it even harder for families like mine to manage.

For me, Labour doesn’t seem to understand that not everyone who sends their children to private school is wealthy. I don’t like the Tories either, but I would rather vote for them than for Labour.

I find Labour's plans on building/environment pretty dreadful.

I'm completely supportive of building more homes but their contempt for planning laws that are there to protect people and communities, are ridiculous. Bulldozing years of careful protections is wrong and leaves everyone feeling less secure.

I hate their stance on women, and not convinced at all by their actions on antisemitism.

I've no idea who to vote for. We need change but it really is a case of out of the frying pan & into the fire. 🙁

Have they expressed contempt for planning laws? No, they haven't. Nor have they suggested that they would "bulldoze" planning laws. Or that they will build massive housing estates all over greenbelt. You sound like Rishi Sunak - massively exaggerating a tiny aspect of Labour's manifesto without actually knowing the detail. The cat's out of the bag - we all know that the housing shortage is Tory policy to keep property value and rents high. Your scaremongering won't work any more.

It’s actually a popular policy.

you 'sacrificed' so much because all of us state school parents couldn't give a tiny rats wank about our kids - WE GET IT

Yep, that’s the underlying message from these threads. Tone deaf.

Way to offend the majority of the population

For me, it’s a good thing that they’re telling us about a possibly less popular plan before the election. The politicians I am deeply suspicious of are the ones who promise miracles, world peace, total fairness, and the moon on a stick, without mentioning costs at all: Tony Blair did this. Did he mention the tuition fees his government introduced (one of the very first things they did) before the election?

I loathe the fact that we don’t know what else they will get up to after polling day: that’s when the masks are ripped off, the dogs are unleashed, and the prime minister faces no consequences at all. If I had my way, prime ministers who blatantly lie about what they promised would have their heads chopped off. And I’m only party joking.

I live in Wales. We are not fucked. We are ok. Honestly. Don’t worry about us. 😊

I find wales is really going down the militant route, with 20mph speed limit everywhere and other draconian measures. I would not want to see this where we live.

Well, the 20 mph rule is to save children’s lives. Based on lots of research. It will save two lives a year. And I kid you not, I think I’d have killed a kid the other day if I was going at 30. He came out of a car park on my left, wasn’t visible to me until the very last second because of parked cars, no helmet, speeding in his bike. I wouldn’t have been able to stop in time going faster. I had been a bit irritated by the 20 until that point as it saved a very nasty accident.

Id rather have a government that puts children’s lives ahead of shaving a minute off a journey. The trials that were done also show traffic flows more smoothly. So I’m a convert tbh.

So every one who does not agree is Tory HQ. You sound very inmature and ridiculous.

It’s not before time council tax bands were reassessed tbh. There are people in houses ££££ than mine paying less CT and who got the energy price rebate, just because their houses were valued before my very modest 3 bed suburban semi was built and valued at band E.

I honestly don’t get the aversion to paying some more tax. How do people think stuff is paid for? You want a decent country, you need to pay up.

How much more pay up? We pay more than our fair share. Would we have a say on people with low skills or not skills at all coming here? Foreign aid? Because we would never seem to catch up.

I agree. The greenbelt is under threat and once it's gone, it's gone forever. We need to address this a completely different way. The whole fucking planet is overpopulated and yet humans keep on expanding their numbers, building and then building some more. It is myopic thinking to keep building without addressing the issue.

It's a feature of these threads. Idiotic.

Especially when there are plenty of empty homes. It is time to tackle of limit that in some way.

Well as a single childfree person I subsidise a fuck ton of people through ny taxes and get no benefits other than crappy 25% off council yax which Labour will no doubt get rid of. I pay ebough tax thanks. Maybe we need to make sure the money is being spent right and getting rid of stupid contacts like pfi and bureaucracy and pointless middle managers before demanding more money from people.

You would do the same to your own income, cut out the waste

This. ☝

Oh wow, the statistics on trans women in male prisons given by @izimbra ( I think) earlier really exposes the paucity of the arguments for the GC posters here.

There haven't been any new trans prisoners in women's prisons since 2019, no attacks of any kind by a trans woman since then, and there are only 5 currently held ( who have been thoroughly risk assessed).

So the risks to female prisoners are frighteningly low and the possibility of even coming into contact with a trans woman in prison is too.

Yet you still bang on, and on, and on about it, pretending to be representing the most vulnerable and at risk women, you've filled tens of thousands of threads on MN with millions of words, all the while trying to disguise your issues with transwoman as advocacy for the vulnerable.

You are totally exposed here.

Anyone who advocates for change that might actually make a difference gets pushed back on ( see above about Council Tax, VAT on private schools etc), and you continually assert that this issue is the most important. You don't advocate for any of these things as vocally as you do trans issues because any of the changes needed might impact you, or require you to do something. You get to pretend to yourself that you are looking out for vulnerable women and girls yet will do nothing that would have any real impact for them.

Its why no one listens.

It's why whatever efforts you have put in ( and beyond posting incessantly on social media, lets admit, you've done fucking nothing) have had no impact, all those millions of words, the anger, the vitriol you spit at anyone who might have a slightly different view? It didn't matter, you might as well have howled at the moon.

What exposes your moral repugnancy further is that you allied yourselves with people who genuinely oppose almost every other program that makes a difference for women, and advocate for some which drastically harm women's rights. "At least they know what a woman is", over and over, for years as justification for it.

All over an issue that actually, most people don't think matters, most people barely even think about, and that doesn't impact 99% of people's lives anyway.

Some might even find it a bit funny.

Oh wow, the statistics on trans women in male prisons given by @izimbra ( I think) earlier really exposes the paucity of the arguments for the GC posters here.

It really doesn't. It was one (of many out there) examples where women can be disadvantaged by self ID, where men were being placed alongside vulnerable women for merely stating they were women until women finally stood up and said 'eh hang on, this shouldn't be happening', despite the likes of you saying 'oh well seeing as it's soooo small and it doesn't affect meeee it's okaaayy'. Because you know, some men would never abuse a system to harm women would they. Single sex measures are there for a reason, it's called safeguarding love. If five transwomen are still in the female estate that's five too many.

It's not just prisons. It's the bigger picture that you just don't seem to get. What about rape victims who are being called bigots for wanting same sex medical provision? The MNetter who attended a rape counselling session to find a man there to listening to their stories but was chastised for complaining about this as 'he identified as a woman', despite not presenting in any stereotypical womanly way.

It permeates so many other areas.

And back to voting Labour, or anyone who pushes anyone to suspend reality, it comes down to this which I've stolen from another poster -

It goes far beyond women’s rights

If a party can lie that humans can change sex - can deny material reality -why would anyone trust them on anything else? Somehow this particular gargantuan lie is seen as harmless.

If Labour were claiming the earth would flat, no one would vote for them.

It’s so weird

Oh give over. And while you're doing that, have a think about why it upsets you so much that women are fighting for their single sex spaces (allowed by the EA 2010) that you would write a lengthy, ranty post on MN about it.

And btw, there will never be anything 'funny' about men in women's and girls' loos. prisons, sports, changing rooms, hospital wards etc etc

Only a very privileged and thoughtless person would say such a thing.

No men should ever be in women's and girls' spaces. NONE.

Isn't it though?

What exposes your moral repugnancy further is that you allied yourselves with people who genuinely oppose almost every other program that makes a difference for women, and advocate for some which drastically harm women's rights. "At least they know what a woman is", over and over, for years as justification for it

Yes, how exactly is it helping to "further women's rights" if you have to actively align with parties that would (and do) take away women's rights in a heartbeat, like abortion rights for example?
It's literally doing the opposite and endangering them.

Who is actively taking away women's rights to have an abortion? Who is aligning with them?

@AccidentallyWesAnderson

Making false equivalence arguments is just another example of why no one listens to the GCs on MN.

@ActivePeony

"And while you're doing that, have a think about why it upsets you so much that women are fighting for their single sex spaces (allowed by the EA 2010) that you would write a lengthy, ranty post on MN about it."

It doesn't upset me.

What upsets you about the fact that trans issues are so minor in most people's lives that they wouldn't actively vote on them? I mean there are so few trans people that the likelihood of you actually sharing a bathroom/changing room with them is very small, and the risks to people of actually doing so are actually infinitesimal compared with almost anything else.

You appear to have misunderstood what I find funny too.

What I find funny is that your claims to advocate for the protection of women and children are actually so transparent, and you don't realise it. You are so wrapped up in the righteousness of it that you can't actually see the emperor has no clothes, most other people can. There are so many other things that are way more important in protecting the rights and safety of women and girls and even in ways that we can benefit their lives. But you don't advocate for them with anything like the energy that you do for this one issue.

As said, its because this one issue is the one that means other women and girls require no agency from you on. You don't actively have to do ( or pay for) anything that might actively change your life. The others do.

*@AccidentallyWesAnderson

Making false equivalence arguments is just another example of why no one listens to the GCs on MN.*

What false equivalence arguments?

'No-one listens'. I think you'll find that is false. The Emperor's New Clothes sums up self ID and this ideology. You are all over irony on this topic.