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General election 2024

What will Labour do early?

170 replies

Davidchecksall · 14/06/2024 17:03

We can safely assume that Labour will form the next Government. Many of their proposed policies will take a long time to show a difference. They want to appoint many more teachers, but it will take time to develop ways of retaining the ones we have and enticing back those who recently resigned. etc. Recruiting new teachers will take years.
They can impose the VAT on some schools quickly,
Making it easier to change 'gender' or 'sex' can happen quite quickly.
What do you think they will do to show they mean to make changes?

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izimbra · 16/06/2024 17:09

"To offer free school meals really worthwhile parental attitude in this country needs to change"

Most parents support the provision of free school meals for primary pupils.

izimbra · 16/06/2024 17:14

"Sen is in such a dire state at the minute I just don’t think it should be the priority to give to all."

It wouldn't be coming out of the SEN budget

DecafFox · 17/06/2024 07:19

Breakfast & afterschool club at our state primary has always been externally run and paid for by parents who choose to use it. Same as holiday clubs. We use tax free childcare to pay for these. No government will fund that since it's discretionary.

Lunch ever since it turned free has been awful. Maybe they pay the caterers less.

crumblingschools · 17/06/2024 07:54

@izimbra it’s coming out of the education budget. The SEND funding needs to be increased. Why hasn’t that been mentioned

Morph22010 · 18/06/2024 04:02

izimbra · 16/06/2024 17:14

"Sen is in such a dire state at the minute I just don’t think it should be the priority to give to all."

It wouldn't be coming out of the SEN budget

Ultimately the country will have a finite amount of money as a whole which can be varied by raising/lowering taxes.

the government can choose to add £x in a free school meals for all pot (whatever budget it may be). If it doesn’t use that £x for free school meals it can use it for something else, it could increase the send budget, it could increase the schools general budget or it could use it for something else thst isn’t education at all. If it’s used on free school meals for all it’s used up, not available for anything else.

Morph22010 · 18/06/2024 04:09

crumblingschools · 17/06/2024 07:54

@izimbra it’s coming out of the education budget. The SEND funding needs to be increased. Why hasn’t that been mentioned

Send is mentioned in the manifesto, have copied quote below but it’s abit woolly doesn’t really say what the plan is. I guess the simple reason for that is send isn’t a vote winner as most people think it doesn’t effect them whereas something like a free breakfast club all parents of primary school children can see a tangible benefit they would get. The reality is that send funding effects everyone but most ,people can’t join the dots to see that and only see it as something being provided to someone else

“Too often our education and care systems do not meet the needs of all children, including those with Special Educational Needs and Disabilities (SEND). Labour will take a community-wide approach, improving inclusivity and expertise in mainstream schools, as well as ensuring special schools cater to those with the most complex needs. We will make sure admissions decisions account for the needs of communities and require all schools to co-operate with their local authority on school admissions, SEND inclusion, and place planning.”

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 18/06/2024 04:24

“More urgent than breakfast club is NHS dentists in schools in vans. They just need to fund the dental vans. NHS dentist can make a lot of money if they can get through loads of kids at once.
The problem at the moment is that I have to book a dental appointment for my kids like 5 months in advance and I have to pay my dentist privately so that they can even stay on the NHS list! And they are meant to have the fluoride applied or their teeth decay.”

This post - being back the Dental Van - park it in the Playground. See kids teeth.

Ladymuck · 18/06/2024 06:12

They’ll do a public spending review and announce that the public finances are in an even worse state than they thought so they have to raise taxes just to keep the status quo let alone spend. They’ll reduce tax relief on pension contributions and change cgt rates/reliefs (both of which they have been quiet on as these are the easiest to avoid with notice). They’ll change their stance on debt and borrow more. It will probably take another 5-10 years before any government can have a grown up conversation about international trade and the self harm done by Brexit.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 18/06/2024 07:54

They're planning to ban Section 21 (no fault) evictions on the first day so very bad news for anyone who owns a rental property.

BIossomtoes · 18/06/2024 07:58

BloodyHellKenAgain · 18/06/2024 07:54

They're planning to ban Section 21 (no fault) evictions on the first day so very bad news for anyone who owns a rental property.

Great news for tenants.

taxguru · 18/06/2024 07:59

BloodyHellKenAgain · 18/06/2024 07:54

They're planning to ban Section 21 (no fault) evictions on the first day so very bad news for anyone who owns a rental property.

Not really. Landlords will still have the right to evict if they are selling the property or wanting to move into it themselves. They'll still have the right to evict for breaches of tenancy agreement or failing to pay rent. It just stops the random "no fault" evictions, i.e. an easy/lazy way to evict a tenant rather than going through the other legal processes.

Startingagainandagain · 18/06/2024 08:04

What I would like them to do:

  • immediately start investigating the Covid contracts frauds. I want to see money being paid back and people going to jail...
  • ending the ludicrous Rwanda fiasco
  • making water bosses legally responsible for sewage scandal: ie legislating so that bosses/directors can face criminal prosecution
  • renationalising the railways
  • new stated-owned utility company
  • VAT on private school
  • address NHS and social care crisis
  • close loopholes for companies that are avoiding paying their fair share of tax
  • more rights for employees from day one, rather than the arbitrary 2 year period
  • more taxes on AirBnB and landlords with multiple properties
  • generally restore honesty in public life, I have enough of the Tories thinking it is OK to lie in Parliament and to the general public.
Startingagainandagain · 18/06/2024 08:10

''@BloodyHellKenAgain

They're planning to ban Section 21 (no fault) evictions on the first day so very bad news for anyone who owns a rental property.''

Why would it be bad news?

You can still evict tenants who breach their tenancy, for example by not paying rent, or if you want to sell/move back in the property.

It is only bad news if you are the type of slum landlord who randomly tries to evict tenants when they complain about essential repairs not being done and the property not being properly maintained...

BloodyHellKenAgain · 18/06/2024 08:38

taxguru · 18/06/2024 07:59

Not really. Landlords will still have the right to evict if they are selling the property or wanting to move into it themselves. They'll still have the right to evict for breaches of tenancy agreement or failing to pay rent. It just stops the random "no fault" evictions, i.e. an easy/lazy way to evict a tenant rather than going through the other legal processes.

Yes really. Labour plan to ban no fault evictions and Angela Rayner has said she wants to do this on day 1.
As you say landlords will still be able to remove tenants but they'll have to do it through the courts instead which is both costly and time consuming.

BIossomtoes · 18/06/2024 08:40

BloodyHellKenAgain · 18/06/2024 08:38

Yes really. Labour plan to ban no fault evictions and Angela Rayner has said she wants to do this on day 1.
As you say landlords will still be able to remove tenants but they'll have to do it through the courts instead which is both costly and time consuming.

Which is a very good thing.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 18/06/2024 08:42

Startingagainandagain · 18/06/2024 08:10

''@BloodyHellKenAgain

They're planning to ban Section 21 (no fault) evictions on the first day so very bad news for anyone who owns a rental property.''

Why would it be bad news?

You can still evict tenants who breach their tenancy, for example by not paying rent, or if you want to sell/move back in the property.

It is only bad news if you are the type of slum landlord who randomly tries to evict tenants when they complain about essential repairs not being done and the property not being properly maintained...

It's bad news for any landlord that wants a tenant to move out for whatever reason. Eg you've rented out your house for a couple of years while you work abroad, you want to sell the property etc
At the moment Section 21 gives the landlord a framework to end the tenancy with notice and work with the tenant. Abolishing S21 pushes everything to the courts which will make it much more painful and costly for everyone involved.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 18/06/2024 08:46

BIossomtoes · 18/06/2024 08:40

Which is a very good thing.

You think it's a good thing that landlords and tenants will have to go to court to end a tenancy ?
It's largely because of the threat of S21 being abolished that so many landlords have sold up over the past couple of years resulting in less rental property and a 20% in rents which definitely isn't a good thing for renters.

BIossomtoes · 18/06/2024 09:02

You think it's a good thing that landlords and tenants will have to go to court to end a tenancy ?

Yes I do. I think being able to deprive a decent, rent paying tenant of their home on a whim is despicable and it’s quite right it should be illegal. It would be a good thing if a glut of rental properties hit the market, prices would fall and more people would be able to own their homes.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 18/06/2024 09:37

@BIossomtoes Not all landlords own slums and like to evict honest, decent tenants on a whim. Most landlords are also honest, decent people.

However, the title of this thread is 'What will Labour do early?'. Banning S21 is something they've said they'll do on day 1 which was the purpose of my post.

You and others think this is great which is your prerogative.

I think it's a rushed, ill thought out idea that will cause more problems that it solves unless a robust framework to replace S21 is put in place first.

BIossomtoes · 18/06/2024 09:39

Not all landlords own slums and like to evict honest, decent tenants on a whim.

I didn’t say that. Some landlords definitely evict tenants on a whim - usually so they can increase the rent by an obscene amount. It’s happened to my son three times.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 18/06/2024 09:49

BIossomtoes · 18/06/2024 09:39

Not all landlords own slums and like to evict honest, decent tenants on a whim.

I didn’t say that. Some landlords definitely evict tenants on a whim - usually so they can increase the rent by an obscene amount. It’s happened to my son three times.

I'm sorry to hear that. Obviously I don't agree with that sort of thing!!

Davidchecksall · 18/06/2024 10:03

A variation on the original question:
What will Labour do about the problems of Councils going bankrupt?
Many of the problems are because of underfunding. But not all, many Councils are keeping their 'shows on the road'.
Birmingham is an example.

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BIossomtoes · 18/06/2024 10:58

Davidchecksall · 18/06/2024 10:03

A variation on the original question:
What will Labour do about the problems of Councils going bankrupt?
Many of the problems are because of underfunding. But not all, many Councils are keeping their 'shows on the road'.
Birmingham is an example.

What can they do? There’s no money.

Davidchecksall · 18/06/2024 12:10

@BIossomtoes So they might have to raise a tax to cover the problem?

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Katypp · 18/06/2024 12:20

Startingagainandagain · 18/06/2024 08:04

What I would like them to do:

  • immediately start investigating the Covid contracts frauds. I want to see money being paid back and people going to jail...
  • ending the ludicrous Rwanda fiasco
  • making water bosses legally responsible for sewage scandal: ie legislating so that bosses/directors can face criminal prosecution
  • renationalising the railways
  • new stated-owned utility company
  • VAT on private school
  • address NHS and social care crisis
  • close loopholes for companies that are avoiding paying their fair share of tax
  • more rights for employees from day one, rather than the arbitrary 2 year period
  • more taxes on AirBnB and landlords with multiple properties
  • generally restore honesty in public life, I have enough of the Tories thinking it is OK to lie in Parliament and to the general public.
Edited

That's quite a list.
I assume from your list that you don't have children at private school or own a business, property or AirBnB?
I don't either, although I have done in the past.
In other words, make anyone apart from yourself pay up?
I find Labour supporters are very keen on pointing at others to fund their spending, but not so keen when the bill falls at their door.
But I might be doing you a disservice, and if I am, I apologise.

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