Conservative Party Manifesto - for women and girls

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Absolutely fantastic. The cynical me asks "why haven't they done this before?" And yea, they've just brought it out now. But it has been over 2 years in the making and the result of some very hard work behind the scenes.

@MNHQ please don't move this to the Feminist Board, it's very relevant here as it forms a part of the Conservative Party manifesto

I don't think child poverty will be vastly different under a centre right Tory govt vs a centrist Labour one. If we still had a very left leaning Labour party there would be something to choose between.

Which other party can gender critical feminists vote for then?

I hope this transfers into schools at some point. My daughter has mentioned a lot of things that make her uncomfortable. Including the unisex toilets and boys kicking the doors (even worse during her and friends periods).

I do remember times growing up where the toilets were a safe space. I have noticed my DD and friend's children aren't going to the toilet and suffering from UTI's since the changes have come about. It may seem trivial but as a mum with a son and daughter both don't like the idea of the unisex toilets.

I don’t know. I do know that I have zero respect for anyone who would choose ideology over children living in poverty.

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Can the parties change manifestos as they go along? Hopefully they will all take this on board.

So you agree that there is no party other than the Tories which is sympathetic to the gender critical position?

Don't you think that's a problem from a democratic point of view?

I think Labour have prioritised ideology over most other things, to be honest.

So you agree that there is no party other than the Tories which is sympathetic to the gender critical position?

Ironically the Communist Party is, or at least they issued a statement last year, but I've not seen their manifesto

Urgh I am torn. Clear Tory / Lib Dem battle here. Always been left of centre never voted Tory appalled by the state of public services greedy Tory boy behaviour etc. BUT I can’t stand the Lib Dem’s on this topic. They literally say in their guidance to volunteers that any voters that raise this an issue are “transphobic” 🙄. This is an issue I feel strongly about and on this I realise I am now a Tory. Wtf

Yes several of the actually left wing parties are gender critical. According to the online political views tests I should be voting for one of these, but they're not standing in my area anyway.

Not sure, this seems like vote grabbing to me.

Its like oh great so girls changing rooms will be protected (as far as they say) but what about all the girls that will suffer due to Tories inability to ease poverty, food banks, gender inequality in healthcare, shit NHS (underfunded) etc etc. We all know that women are more affected by poverty than men. I know it’s easy when you don’t have to use food banks, or have secure housing to get over-focused on the recent gender panic, but it’s the wrong lens. The basis of society should be to have a good foundation for all, not all resources/bets on one issue that is a treatment to a symptom— not a cause.

This seems like a very narrow focus in the current shit show the UK is in

I don’t buy it, and won’t be voting conservative unless they actually propose to do something good in society

I agree

No I don’t agree. That’s clearly what you think though.

I was excited for a minute that they might have actually put something in the manifesto that will make life better for women and girls.

But no. Its just Sunaks ploy of being able to tell us we have vaginas while implementing policies that actively harm women and girls.

I'm not so far gone that I'm going to vote for someone who's key pledge is to state a fact about me that I already know.

Yes, I have a vagina. I know. Now please do something about the rapists who will target me for it. And the men who will hold me back at work because of it. Etc etc.

So, you don't think it's a problem that there is not a single party in the UK for people who are politically left or centrist and care about women's rights to vote for?

Wow.

I'm a leftist. I care about women's rights. And I believe trans women are women.

Can you explain how transwomen are women?

I really hope you’re not a teacher! Goodness imagine being a teacher and having zero grasp on biology!

I shouldn't worry too much we appear to have a Prime Minister who has little to zero grasp of history or the law of the land.

I don’t think an obsession with gender equates women’s rights. I don’t subscribe to such a narrow definition so you can wow with faux outrage all you like.

The only way a trans woman can be a woman is if you change the definition of the word woman so it no longer means female person. And then it's not clear what it means, if anything. Or what the new word is for female person.

Definitions are supposed to be narrow, otherwise they don't mean anything.

I'm not sure how you think you can advocate for the rights of an unspecified group of people with nothing in common but sometimes directly competing interests, which is what your "women, including trans women" category is.

I don’t know why you’re bothering with me. You know we’re never going to agree. It’s a pointless discussion.

Interesting comment by the Green Party deputy leader (sorry, didn't catch her name) on BBC radio 4 just now, absolutely doubling down on gender ideology -- viz, trans women are women, and trans people should be able to legally change their gender just by stating so.
Nothing else needed, no recognition of the difficulties this would inevitably bring about in safeguarding /protecting women and girls.
She sounded totally rigid in her views on this. Chilling.

You’re wrong. They have male bodies and male biology and are therefore are male. Not a single solitary thing about them makes them women.