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General election 2024

The Tories manifesto - nothing new

99 replies

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 12:25

As you'd expect from almost any polictian/s in the world, total and utter BS!!

I would ask them, what's new and what were you doing at number 10 for the last 15 years!!!

Sadly, pathetic as it is, the alternative is even more seriously hideous and will put the workers at a massive risk of higher taxes, homeowners lumbered with massive, green agenda taxes and VAT on your child if you want them to do really well at school via private education that many make many sacrifices to send their kids to a better school for a better future!!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1909631/rishi-sunak-tory-manifesto-key-points

Key points from Tory party manifesto from tax cuts and new GPs to Rwanda

Rishi Sunak unveiled the Conservatives' offer to the public this morning, covering tax cuts and a boost to GPs.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1909631/rishi-sunak-tory-manifesto-key-points

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TooBigForMyBoots · 11/06/2024 12:54

More of the same shite and lies we've come to expect from the Tories.🙄

Help To Buy housing policies are detrimental unless you build houses. I don't expect Sunak to understand that though, he's a monumentally stupid man.🤦‍♀️

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 13:06

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/06/2024 12:54

More of the same shite and lies we've come to expect from the Tories.🙄

Help To Buy housing policies are detrimental unless you build houses. I don't expect Sunak to understand that though, he's a monumentally stupid man.🤦‍♀️

The so-called help to buy has been touted by both of the main parties - it does nothing other than increase house prices as demand grows and sellers put up their prices on what are seen as first time buyer properties.

The way to reduce property prices is do what they do in Leeds - just keep on building apartments that no one really wanted as you can only sell so many if their are jobs and even now, some of the apartments have not really reached their peak since before the last property crash

Net immigration will go down a lot if we get a government that is not afraid to get people back to work. If this happens, gradually we will get more places like leeds.

Coucils are moving people out of London and need to do this more often as their are areas in the north of England that have many empty properties - just google it

IMO, the gov should tax 'holiday homes' at let's say 40% stamp duty and use that money to build more houses in that area as 'holiday homes are underused and some nice, seaside locations are deserted mid-week because of the number of 2nd/hol homes

Those in social housing get discounted rents and IMO, the gov should charge those that could a wage of xxxx amount to pay the going rate as social housing was for those that could not afford a place

I'm all for fairness but it has to work both ways

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TooBigForMyBoots · 11/06/2024 13:11

Social Housing was never for those that could not afford a place.🙄 It was safe, secure housing for working class people. I live in social housing, bar the pensioners, everyone on my street works.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 13:18

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/06/2024 13:11

Social Housing was never for those that could not afford a place.🙄 It was safe, secure housing for working class people. I live in social housing, bar the pensioners, everyone on my street works.

Well, let me enlighten you - it is part of the means test for many years 🙄🙄🙄and especially in London 🙄🙄🙄- can help with the rest of England as I don't know enough otherthan many areas could do with help🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

I'm standing by what I said, IE, those that are earing over xxx in wages should pay the market rental rates and this goes towards improving social housing

https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/housing/help-housing-homelessness-and-finding-new-home/applying-councils-housing-register

Applying to the Council's Housing Register | Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea

Information about local housing support, social and accessible housing.

https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/housing/help-housing-homelessness-and-finding-new-home/applying-councils-housing-register

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pointythings · 11/06/2024 13:23

Well, there is something new in there because they've included their bonkers national service idea. I think it's great, it will bring out the young vote.

frankentall · 11/06/2024 13:35

pointythings · 11/06/2024 13:23

Well, there is something new in there because they've included their bonkers national service idea. I think it's great, it will bring out the young vote.

Yep, to vote Labour or Green :). Excellent.

LlynTegid · 11/06/2024 13:37

The simplest help to buy is having stamp duty paid by the seller. Smaller amount required to get on the property ladder.

The second is to reduce second homes and ban Air BNB (and similar) in certain parts of the UK.

CranfordScones · 11/06/2024 13:38

What were you expecting? No politician has a magic wand. And UK life is pretty good. We don't need any grand promises. We need to make the existing promises work properly. That's an issue of management and boring service delivery. I'd vote for a government that was good at that.

Hedgeoffressian · 11/06/2024 13:38

If you are thinking of voting for Labour, how do you feel about them taxing pensions? Something that has never ever been done in the Uk until now?

frankentall · 11/06/2024 14:18

Hedgeoffressian · 11/06/2024 13:38

If you are thinking of voting for Labour, how do you feel about them taxing pensions? Something that has never ever been done in the Uk until now?

What are you talking about?

AddersAtDawn · 11/06/2024 14:19

Hedgeoffressian · 11/06/2024 13:38

If you are thinking of voting for Labour, how do you feel about them taxing pensions? Something that has never ever been done in the Uk until now?

In order for anyone but the Tories to tax state pensions, those pensioners would need a rise of more than £1000 a year - on which they'd pay 20% of anything over £12500 per year. So, if the state pension goes up by £1500 per year to £13,000 - they would pay £86 per YEAR out of £13k and would be just over £1400 better off than now.

I think it's a total non issue, tbh.

frankentall · 11/06/2024 14:19

Sadly, pathetic as it is, the alternative is even more seriously hideous

Ha ha it really isn't, the only pathetic and hideous thing is the desperate squirming from Tories.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 14:25

Hedgeoffressian · 11/06/2024 13:38

If you are thinking of voting for Labour, how do you feel about them taxing pensions? Something that has never ever been done in the Uk until now?

That will happen and they will hit those with private pensions as well and failing to ignore the fact that people that pay towards their private pensions, are trying to stay off taxpayer-funded benefits

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parkrun500club · 11/06/2024 15:08

pointythings · 11/06/2024 13:23

Well, there is something new in there because they've included their bonkers national service idea. I think it's great, it will bring out the young vote.

I was interested to see that the military option is competitive, so most 18 year olds would have to do the weekend volunteering, even if they'd prefer the military.

I did agree with this suggestion however: We will make fly tipping an offence that carries penalty points against your driving licence.

But only if they make councils keep tips open!

parkrun500club · 11/06/2024 15:09

Hedgeoffressian · 11/06/2024 13:38

If you are thinking of voting for Labour, how do you feel about them taxing pensions? Something that has never ever been done in the Uk until now?

Pensions are already taxed if your income is high enough.

Justkeepswiimming · 11/06/2024 15:20

frankentall · 11/06/2024 14:18

What are you talking about?

Not true. Many people pay tax kn their pensions.

frankentall · 11/06/2024 15:37

Hedgeoffressian · 11/06/2024 13:38

If you are thinking of voting for Labour, how do you feel about them taxing pensions? Something that has never ever been done in the Uk until now?

Again, what are you talking about?

frankentall · 11/06/2024 15:44

Hedgeoffressian · 11/06/2024 13:38

If you are thinking of voting for Labour, how do you feel about them taxing pensions? Something that has never ever been done in the Uk until now?

In fact, do you even know what you're talking about?

pointythings · 11/06/2024 15:45

Hedgeoffressian · 11/06/2024 13:38

If you are thinking of voting for Labour, how do you feel about them taxing pensions? Something that has never ever been done in the Uk until now?

If your pension is above the income tax threshold, it is already taxed. This is not new.

BIossomtoes · 11/06/2024 16:02

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BIossomtoes · 11/06/2024 16:04

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 14:25

That will happen and they will hit those with private pensions as well and failing to ignore the fact that people that pay towards their private pensions, are trying to stay off taxpayer-funded benefits

We already pay tax on our private pensions.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 11/06/2024 16:11

Hedgeoffressian · 11/06/2024 13:38

If you are thinking of voting for Labour, how do you feel about them taxing pensions? Something that has never ever been done in the Uk until now?

My uncle is a higher rate tax payer on his pension, are you saying he shouldn't be currently paying tax? After all if it's something that's never happened before why is the taxman taking all this money off him?

grannycake · 11/06/2024 16:27

Hedgeoffressian · 11/06/2024 13:38

If you are thinking of voting for Labour, how do you feel about them taxing pensions? Something that has never ever been done in the Uk until now?

I'm a labour voter & a pensioner. Pensions both state and private are already taxed and always have been. If your only pension is the state pension it is generally below the limit for tax so you receive it in full. If not the tax you pay on your private pensions includes the tax due on your state pension.

The problem is that this shit show of a government have frozen the personal tax allowance and intend to continue to do so. So in a couple of years those on state pensions will need to pay tax as their pension will increase above the personal allowance.

This means they will need to submit a tax return - considering these tend to be the older pensioners will cause massive stress and problems. Age doesn't make any difference to tax. If your income is over the personal allowance it is taxed

AddersAtDawn · 11/06/2024 16:46

We already pay tax on our private pensions.

A lot of it as well! Especially since about 2010 and even more so since 2019.

The Tories manifesto - nothing new
IClaudine · 11/06/2024 16:57

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 14:25

That will happen and they will hit those with private pensions as well and failing to ignore the fact that people that pay towards their private pensions, are trying to stay off taxpayer-funded benefits

  • *ETA: oh, if I had realised who I was replying to, I wouldn't have bothered, Got my posters mixed up.