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General election 2024

The Tories manifesto - nothing new

99 replies

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 12:25

As you'd expect from almost any polictian/s in the world, total and utter BS!!

I would ask them, what's new and what were you doing at number 10 for the last 15 years!!!

Sadly, pathetic as it is, the alternative is even more seriously hideous and will put the workers at a massive risk of higher taxes, homeowners lumbered with massive, green agenda taxes and VAT on your child if you want them to do really well at school via private education that many make many sacrifices to send their kids to a better school for a better future!!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1909631/rishi-sunak-tory-manifesto-key-points

Key points from Tory party manifesto from tax cuts and new GPs to Rwanda

Rishi Sunak unveiled the Conservatives' offer to the public this morning, covering tax cuts and a boost to GPs.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1909631/rishi-sunak-tory-manifesto-key-points

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LlynTegid · 11/06/2024 17:13

The Tories decided they did not want anything radical or innovative when they chose the lazy traitor Boris Johnson to be leader instead of Michael Gove. Not only did they pass over the only real radical Tory but 20,000 more people died from Covid because of Mr Johnson's laziness and lack of prompt action.

1dayatatime · 11/06/2024 17:18

@TooBigForMyBoots

"Help To Buy housing policies are detrimental unless you build houses"

Exactly- this is fairly basic economics- if you have more money chasing the same supply then prices will go up. The best way to make housing more affordable is to increase supply.

Why can't any of the parties figure out this basic point?

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 17:32

BIossomtoes · 11/06/2024 16:04

We already pay tax on our private pensions.

Bless
Mastermind you are not

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 17:34

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Shinyandnew1 · 11/06/2024 17:40

Sadly, pathetic as it is, the alternative is even more seriously hideous

Luckily, huge swathes of the population disagree with you and will next month be welcoming Labour into government… (not by the back door or a coalition either!).

IClaudine · 11/06/2024 17:51

Shinyandnew1 · 11/06/2024 17:40

Sadly, pathetic as it is, the alternative is even more seriously hideous

Luckily, huge swathes of the population disagree with you and will next month be welcoming Labour into government… (not by the back door or a coalition either!).

Certain posters do seem to have an unhealthy obsession with the No.10, er, tradesmen's entrance, don't they? 🤭🤭🤭

IClaudine · 11/06/2024 17:52

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Ooh. As tetchy as a Sunak!

ActivePeony · 11/06/2024 17:52

I don't expect Sunak to understand that though, he's a monumentally stupid man

You can accuse him of plenty but he is a very intelligent man.

pointythings · 11/06/2024 17:55

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 17:32

Bless
Mastermind you are not

Tell us why @Blossomtoes is wrong then. Because if your pension is above the income tax threshold, you pay tax on the part of it that is over. That is, as you love to say so frequently, a fact.

Pensions are however exempt from National Insurance.

BIossomtoes · 11/06/2024 18:02

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 17:32

Bless
Mastermind you are not

I’m bright enough to recognise the tax deduction on my private pension P60 every year.

IClaudine · 11/06/2024 18:06

The pensioner's tax scheme is all smoke and mirrors.

Pensioners would benefit from the proposal to uprate their income tax personal allowance in line with the triple lock.

By 2029–30, this would be expected to cut their income tax by £130 per year (riches!)

However, that same allowance has been frozen since 2019, which means they would still be paying more tax at the end of the next parliament than they were at the beginning of the last.

A pensioner paying the basic rate of tax would be paying £490 a year more in tax in 2029–30 than under the 2019-20 tax system.

Source: the IFS.

frankentall · 11/06/2024 18:13

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 17:32

Bless
Mastermind you are not

Well coming from someone who is an expert (on not being Mastermind) that sort of makes sense for once. Oh hang on, no it's arse as usual.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 19:05

BIossomtoes · 11/06/2024 18:02

I’m bright enough to recognise the tax deduction on my private pension P60 every year.

Oh bless

Read again my original post you responded to

I'll let you have the last word as I'm well renowned for being magnanimous

🙄

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pointythings · 11/06/2024 19:11

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 19:05

Oh bless

Read again my original post you responded to

I'll let you have the last word as I'm well renowned for being magnanimous

🙄

OK, for the non tax expert who is also not yet a pensioner at the back, aka me:

Do you think that people do not currently pay income tax on their pensions when the total amount they receive is above the income tax threshold? That's Income Tax, not National Insurance.

Any answer gratefully received.

FlakyShaker · 11/06/2024 19:19

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 13:06

The so-called help to buy has been touted by both of the main parties - it does nothing other than increase house prices as demand grows and sellers put up their prices on what are seen as first time buyer properties.

The way to reduce property prices is do what they do in Leeds - just keep on building apartments that no one really wanted as you can only sell so many if their are jobs and even now, some of the apartments have not really reached their peak since before the last property crash

Net immigration will go down a lot if we get a government that is not afraid to get people back to work. If this happens, gradually we will get more places like leeds.

Coucils are moving people out of London and need to do this more often as their are areas in the north of England that have many empty properties - just google it

IMO, the gov should tax 'holiday homes' at let's say 40% stamp duty and use that money to build more houses in that area as 'holiday homes are underused and some nice, seaside locations are deserted mid-week because of the number of 2nd/hol homes

Those in social housing get discounted rents and IMO, the gov should charge those that could a wage of xxxx amount to pay the going rate as social housing was for those that could not afford a place

I'm all for fairness but it has to work both ways

yeah so a big national housebuilding program really is the only thing that will actually work

but no gov will do this because they don't want to crash the housing market

so nothing will change whichever party gets in, they'll just prop it again.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 19:20

IClaudine · 11/06/2024 17:51

Certain posters do seem to have an unhealthy obsession with the No.10, er, tradesmen's entrance, don't they? 🤭🤭🤭

A post from and I quote (see below in bold) and yet this poster follows me around even having stated at 16-57 the following - Incredible and what is "sed"???😂

IClaudine · Today 16:57

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · sed who I was replying to, I wouldn't have bothered, Got my posters mixed up. Edited

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crumblingschools · 11/06/2024 19:22

It’s very light on helping schools

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 19:24

FlakyShaker · 11/06/2024 19:19

yeah so a big national housebuilding program really is the only thing that will actually work

but no gov will do this because they don't want to crash the housing market

so nothing will change whichever party gets in, they'll just prop it again.

Just like the exmaple I gave re Leeds built too many apartments

Even around London, developments over the last 15 years, many are sitting empty as investments in the hope they will rise further - you can often tell as the lights are off in most apartments that gives the game away (in dubai there may be a law to light up the empty apartments as thousands stand empty and they get wound up if asked about them)

Empty properties should be taxed an extra amount IMO

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 19:28

crumblingschools · 11/06/2024 19:22

It’s very light on helping schools

At least they are not taxing parents of 600,000 children approx 6000 pounds a year by adding 20% VAT on private schools

Many will definitely won't be able to keep on sending their child to a private school and in turn putting another burden on state schools - all thanks to Labour

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TooBigForMyBoots · 11/06/2024 19:31

ActivePeony · 11/06/2024 17:52

I don't expect Sunak to understand that though, he's a monumentally stupid man

You can accuse him of plenty but he is a very intelligent man.

He really isn't. I get that he's really very good at turning our tax money into his family money, but beyond that, no.

Eat Out To Help Out was monumentally stupid.
Committing to the Rwanda Plan was monumentally stupid.
Leaving the D-day commemoration early was monumentally stupid.
Not knowing how to put petrol in a car or how to make a card payment is very stupid. Not learning how to do these things before pretending to, in front of the press, was monumentally stupid.

He has no political nous or any commonsense. When he can't buy an instant solution he is a monumentally stupid man.

FlakyShaker · 11/06/2024 19:32

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 11/06/2024 19:24

Just like the exmaple I gave re Leeds built too many apartments

Even around London, developments over the last 15 years, many are sitting empty as investments in the hope they will rise further - you can often tell as the lights are off in most apartments that gives the game away (in dubai there may be a law to light up the empty apartments as thousands stand empty and they get wound up if asked about them)

Empty properties should be taxed an extra amount IMO

Definitely, I'm sure it will help but I'm not convinced it will make that much of a dent. A large proportion of empty properties are in places which are already very cheap compared to the rest of the UK because nobody wants to live there.

I'd be also in favour of putting higher taxes on higher value and larger homes beyond the current council tax which might drive people to downsize and the cost of family properties down.

But really as I say,regardless of what we do, we don't have enough good quality homes in this Country.

IClaudine · 11/06/2024 19:32

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This was my post, DSC.

The Tories manifesto - nothing new
IClaudine · 11/06/2024 19:38

But yes, you are right DSC (for the first time ever!). I shouldn't engage with you.

coffeandteav · 11/06/2024 19:47

'VAT on your child if you want them to do really well at school via private education that many make many sacrifices to send their kids to a better school for a better future!!'
As the 90 percent of other parents obviously don't want their children to do well.