Keir, what do you think?

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Labour will win this General Election but I don’t think Sir Keir will be party leader a year from now because there are many amongst Labour MP’s who will want to be more radical. Who would you like to see as leader of the Labour Party a year from now and why?

And the potential replacements for Sunak when he resigns on July 5th are far more concerning when it comes to taking a party to the extreme

If they’ve (the remnants of the CP) have got an ounce of sense between them (debatable) they’ll understand they can’t out extreme the extremiststs and let deform shout at the pigeons move to a more rational position, maybe actually conserve things, rather than burning it all down. Getting in bed with the wrong-uns has effectively finished them, and that’s basically Cameron’s fault, his gamble. Major was right- they always were bastards.

But I am not a Tory so what would I know.

The thread is about Starmer.

People voted for Hitler because of how much charisma he had, btw. I don't care about how charismatic my leader is. I want them to lead with integrity.

Who made you the thread police?

I have a family member in Momentum. They hate and despise Starmer with all that they've got - but are looking forward to when he gets in as they feel that they can put him under pressure. Like it or not - the hard left still exists.

Indeed it is. But you spouted some nonsense about the hard left biding their time on the thread so I responded.

But bizarrely incapable of speaking in an inspiring way or in a way that would engage. Compare and contrast with Obama.

To be fair I'm not always #bekind in how I make them. Then again, if you come out with slurs, smears and outright lies, why should I be kind in rebutting them?

Don't get the hated for Angela Rayner. It’s pure snobbery. Only certain types of wc people seem to be acceptable, mainly the ones that know their place

Again and again I see this. She is a raving TRA which is one reason I cannot stand her. She also thinks that labelling others 'scum' is an astute political tactic. I am a working class person btw.

With pointless whataboutery.

Yeah but the Momentum lot tend to be a bit delusional. He won't swing to the left. He's resisted their pressure so far, and he will continue to when in government. He's very sensible. The more worrying extremists around right now are in the Tory party.

Well - that didn't take too long! 😂

Mine either
also agree with yellowhairband the hard right is much more concerning.

If you could explain how a group outside parliament can pressure a PM to move from the centre ground I'm all ears.

How do they intend to put him under pressure?

So Obama was lucky in the talents he was endowed with. KS has been slightly less so.

But frankly, I'd choose competence over charisma any day of the week. I'd also choose it over diversity any day of the week.

And anyone in Momentum who thinks they're going to wield increased influence when Labour gets in is delusional.

You know, every now and then I get a tiny pang of nervousness that the Tories will get in.

But the plethora of threads all on similar subjects-VAT on school fees, the £2k tax lie, and the hard left taking over-reassure me that the Tories and their supporters are desperate because they know their party is over.

Nope. It’s wholly relevant when there are hard right members of the Conservative Party and that is the possible alternative to a Labour government. Especially if Reform gain any sort of credibility.

I consider that more likely and a worse option than the incredibly unlikely situation that some shadowy “hard left” figures turn up and force KS’s hand.

Donkeyporn? I mean, he did buy his mum a donkey field...

Sorry wrong thread.

Do you not think that any Labour MPs are Momentum sympathisers?

Most of them have been purged, tbh.

I've gone back five party leaders, none have been thrown under the bus.

Kinnock resigned after loosing the election. Smith died. Blair chose to resign. Brown resigned after loosing an election. Corbyn resigned after loosing an election.

I don't rule out the fact that four of the five may have been leaned on to encourage them to go, but by and large, the Labour party doesn't tend to publicly oust leaders.

look, for comparison at the last five Tory leaders. Cameron resigned after loosing the Brexit vote. May was forced out. Johnson was forced out. As Was Truss. Sunak is hanging on by the skin of his teeth. But will, I think, resign, if he looses the upcoming election.

Actually, I think Starmer will be PM for quite a while. He's fairly stable, and enough of a centrist/non-radical to appease both sides of the party.

But the plethora of threads all on similar subjects

Its simply carpet bombing, from an increasingly hopeless and desperate set of (often unrecognised) posters, nothing more, but we’ve got another four weeks of this drivel to come.