Keir, what do you think?

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Labour will win this General Election but I don’t think Sir Keir will be party leader a year from now because there are many amongst Labour MP’s who will want to be more radical. Who would you like to see as leader of the Labour Party a year from now and why?

It’s worse than that, it’s election rigging. It should be investigated and if it’s true Williamson should be relieved of his knighthood.

More bad news for the Tories.

www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/09/crank-tory-candidates-accused-of-sharing-online-conspiracy-theories

will make diddly squat difference at this stage

True, but it is such fun to watch the implosion.

Reports are that the calibre of their candidates will be much lower than usual, and they struggled to fill all seats - they ended with a single unfilled vacancy but many were not contested, which is telling.

Tbh I think any surprise at all this is misplaced because it’s obvious. It’s over for them - they don’t care about bad news, they’re not bothered about their seats, they’re finished. I doubt they’re headless chickens at HQ, just dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s to squeeze the most out of their role before it’s gone. Speaking and consultancy jobs await 😕

Labour are not above a bit of this though are they? Weren't there rumours of Starmer offering his hard left colleagues peerages to give up their seats and get them out of his way?

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-offer-peerages-to-get-rid-of-left-wing-mps-gkqlgbpzb

Let's wait and see if this is proved true, shall we? The Times is after all a loyal Tory paper. If it's true, then of course it is to be condemned.

Ah I see Clav has a new friend on the “Yes, but Labour …” bench. She will be pleased, it must have been a bit lonely there.

But it hasn't happened has it?

That story was published on June 2nd. Starmer isn't going to try to persuade any Labour candidates to stand down now as he would not be able to replace them.

It's got quite a lot to do with party discipline as most of the Labour party's income comes from unions. While they no long sponsor MPs, as that was rightly stopped when the Committee on Standards in Public Life (Nolan report) highlighted concerns about abuse, they clearly have significant influence in many constituencies. Indeed, constituency sponsorship is the loophole used by the Unions and Labour to get round the ban on sponsoring MPs. So, with unions and their members clearly unhappy, and a new government unable to accede to all their demands, I cannot see how party discipline can be maintained post election.

So the country might get run for the benefit of ordinary workers rather than non-dom tax dodgers, hedge funds and other spivs and criminals? The horror.

That’s always assuming the unions and public sector are antipathetic to a Labour government. Which it patently obviously won’t be.

Might well be the favourable outcome of a breakdown in party discipline post-election/Starmer.

Most of their income comes from the Israel lobby.

Starmer is a professional liar not to be trusted under ANY circumstances.

Did you manage to type that with a straight face?

Ey up, the flat earthers have arrived

Well, this thread has been lacking a good conspiracy theory.

I don't think it's obvious the BMA/NHS workers will roll over and do everything Wes Streeting claims he has in mind:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/wes-streeting-nhs-labour-private-sector-b2524953.html
https://uk.style.yahoo.com/news/wes-streeting-says-hes-treated-102857370.html

Unite union has refused to endorse Labour's manifesto;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c722zkj9ly8o

I see a break between Labour and the unions as a positive - no party should be in anyone's pockets, whether that is the Tories and businesses or Labour and the unions. Anyone on the right will need to be very careful trying to make electoral hay out of Unite no longer supporting Labour, because a lot of people will think it's a good thing - it cements their position in the political centre.

They've already thought of that;

Conservative sources suggested the row over the manifesto was “stage-managed” to give the impression Sir Keir is standing up to the unions when the Tories say the opposite is true.

I suppose it depends if Unite withhold the cash or not;

There is now a question mark over whether Unite will fund the party at the general election. In 2019, Unite gave £3m to Labour's campaign.

https://x.com/Peston/status/1800190013440761945

For anybody who cares, Labour’s manifesto was not changed at all by the Clause 5 meeting with trade unions, NEC and shadow cabinet. The only change was a “headline” on a section about violence against women - but that was about accuracy rather than substance. This will be Starmer’s manifesto, in every comma and full stop

Considering that Starmer changes his policies at the drop of a hat it's not worth the paper it's written on then.

You prefer to listen to the £2094 lie?