Keir, what do you think?

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Labour will win this General Election but I don’t think Sir Keir will be party leader a year from now because there are many amongst Labour MP’s who will want to be more radical. Who would you like to see as leader of the Labour Party a year from now and why?

My election weary brain says that Sunak lied to the nation over £2000 during the debate. He's then doubled down on it, lied some more, left veterans in the lurch and ditched world leaders to attend an interview where he lied some more.
On a day that politics should have been pushed aside for a more important occasion, he broke the gentleman's agreement, showing his true nature which ain't pretty. Whenever anyone says dday I think Shitty Sunak lied.
If that's winning then hey, he's winning.

And who are THE others?

Clav you haven’t been posting much recently, you’re quite a big fan of the Tories in general, given than Sunak seems to be sliding lower and lower every day in terms of what the voters think and there’s even some talk about replacing him before the GE…

How do you think this is going to pan out?

Edit to add, I’m genuinely interested.

Oh the joy of listening to those “unified” voices singing the career politician’s song by gaslight:

Let’s all hold hands
And spout the same lies
Until they become new truths

Don’t worry, there’s always something
To pin on those who disagree
Because that’s how we do politics

We don’t want any old truths
Too fundamental, too fair, too far
Just wanna wear red, that’s enough.

Too fundamental, too fair, too far

Too deluded?

Lord, we're into bad poetry now. Sometimes Mumsnet is as insane as people think it is.

It’s going to be a loooooong 3.5 weeks.

My election weary brain remembers that John McDonnell claimed Labour would save families £6,700 per household in the 2019 election - the IFS said Labour were not being honest.

I also remember that more recently, Keir Starmer was missing his poppy when recording an Islamophobia awareness video. Starmer's allies claimed it was a mistake - except that Anas Sawar (Labour's leader in Scotland) made the same mistake, seemingly on the same day, for a similar recording:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1830894/lee-anderson-missing-poppies-islamophobia-keir-starmer-anas-sarwar
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/11/02/starmer-row-poppy-islamophobia-awareness-campaign/

Just keep singing. Sunk still might not be bad enough for your knight in shining headlights to walk it.

Now you're reaching. I don't remember either of them fucking over world leaders and military veterans by leaving early on arguably one of the most important dates in the the PMs diary this year.

It was so disrespectful to the population and smacks of not giving a shit.

Constantly reaching. No reach is too far.

The problem is, despite the hopes and dreams, we are unlikely to get calm, sober, stable government. Unlike in ‘97, there’s too much discontent. The week of the elections the doctors are on strike. So, when Labour win they’ll have to sort that. If they offer anywhere near what the doctors want then the nurses, police, army, councils and government workers will also start striking until they get the same. If they don’t cave in to the doctors then a key plank of their so called manifesto (which is all uncosted and light on detail, albeit nice and aspirational) won’t work, but because they want nhs staff to work, and be paid, overtime and weekends to clear backlogs. Which in itself is a bonkers plan anyway. Who wants to be operated on by team on their third overtime shift that week? Wouldn’t be allowed in any other high risk role, so why health?

Then , if they follow through on their plans to reintroduce the LTA on pensions, they’ll immediately have the doctors back on strike, as that the key reason the that the limit was removed. If they seriously think they can reintroduce it for everyone except doctors without uproar then at the very least then there will be a further division between the state and private sector who, rightly, will object to funding more generous pensions for state workers than they can achieve for themselves even if they want to.

Once they sorted that they need to tackle economic growth. Only they have no ideas…

I’d love a period of calm and stability, and government not fiddling around at the margins, meddling in things it (current, future and past governments included) doesn’t understand. But I can’t see how Kier brings any of that.

a key plank of their so called manifesto (which is all uncosted and light on detail, albeit nice and aspirational) won’t work

So you’ve seen the manifesto? That’s odd because half the shadow cabinet hasn’t.

The manifesto hasn't been published yet .
Nobody is expecting a Labour government to offer 35%. Not even the junior doctors. But a Scotland style arrangement isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

Your entire post is a subtle (I'll give you that) 'Don't Vote Labour, They Have No Plan' diatribe - which leads me to view it with suspicion.

Sounds suspiciously truthful doesn’t it?

Hardly a stretch to see how you have a problem with that.

Maybe it’s just me.

But when you look at the last 5 years or so, after all the tits up chaos the country has had to endure,

Anyone who proclaims that a Lab govt will somehow be a disaster hasn’t got a clue what they’re talking about.

Labour will win the election with a massive majority. A year from now many of these new Labour MPs who after being elected on a desire to see real change will become frustrated at the slow pace of change because the reality is anything radical will spook the markets (as Liz Truss found out the hard way).

All these new Labour MPs will then start to become disgruntled and seek a harder left leader.

Similarly after the Conservatives get thrashed they will conclude that they need to go more right wing to get elected next time and seek such a leader to deliver this.

I've been busy with other things. I thought Sunak was great in the leader's debate and Starmer seemed somewhat out of his depth in comparison - it's a shame Sunak messed up the D-Day event. As for replacing Sunak - Penny Mordaunt was ok in her debate but not as good as Sunak, although perhaps she has more appeal. Kemi Badenoch is not very well known yet I think, Suella Braverman too controversial ... David Cameron or Jeremy Hunt would be very qualified to take on the role. Let's see in a week's time - the manifestos are due out soon and the headlines will change.

😂😂I was thinking the same thing!

A year from now

can I borrow your crystal ball once you’re done with it? Thx.

Since I have so little in common with sheep, I’m sincerely hopeful there’s more than merely an undercurrent to my posts you don’t like.

We'll see you in a year's time. I very much doubt that this will happen - Labour have been good at party discipline since 2019 and they will be making it clear behind the scenes that miracles are not going to happen. You're assuming that all the new Labour MPs will be closet Momentum supporters and I'm really not buying that.

I'm still waiting for you to suggest a solution rather than keep whinging on about how bad the current Labour party is. Is it another 5 years of Tory? Everyone to vote Reform? A revolution? What is it? Because it's easy to whine from the sidelines.

@Clavinova thanks for that.

It’s amazing how many people have got crystal balls.