Sunak: Stupid or a bare faced liar?

[TooBigForMyBoots]

In last night's debate, he repeatedly made a big deal out of a "completely independent report" about Labour costing £2000 per household. It was his answer to nearly everything.

But it was known to be a lie. So why did he tell it? Did he think people wouldn't find out? Has he not learnt that the country is sick to the back teeth of lying Tory PMs?

Who thought this was a good idea?

The timings are standard. Is this perhaps your first time voting? That would explain your misunderstanding of the process.

Are you aware that the Conservatives haven't published theirs yet either? All completely normal.

In 2017 Theresa May lost her poll lead overnight on publication of the manifesto just weeks out from polling day.

Labour and Conservatives will publish their manifestoes with huge publicity. You then can read them and make up your mind. The polls will move if people don't like what's written by one or the other.

Welcome to democracy!

This is the future. Why go diet Reform with the Conservatives when you can go full fat with Real Reform.

I don’t think this claim by Sunak is going to make much difference; I think many already think taxes will go up and that Sunak is not very credible.

What’s stupid about pointing out that polling day is four weeks away and nobody gets to vote until then?

If you keep checking the website you will see what they're putting forward as their plan. Or you can just peddle the same rubbish and pretend it's true, like your leader.

Someone will be along soon to mention postal votes 😄

Something tells me that poster doesn’t even know about postal votes. 😁

@Taciturn

Here is some info for you:
https://www.politico.eu/article/labour-plans-june-13-manifesto-launch

This article explains all about how it works in general:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/manifestos-general-election-2024-released-29266712

If that really is the case then on what did the Tory SpAds concoct their £2000 claim?

This is interesting from the article:
In recent years manifestos have become longer and more detailed. Fifty years ago they would usually be just a few thousand words, but during the 2019 campaign parties were releasing manifestos of more than 20,000 words.

We already know a lot of what will be in all the manifestos, of course, because the leaders have been making election announcements. It is unusual to announce anything radically different right at the end, as policies have to be costed and focus group tested.

So why are you not making a fuss about the fact that there is no Tory manifesto?

The Spectator has run a calculation on Tory proposals using the same methodology as the one Sunak relies on. The cost ? £3K per person.

Neither party has released their manifesto. In the unlikely event you care rather than being a Tory shill, there's some good detail here -

https://www.traverssmith.com/knowledge/knowledge-container/2024-uk-general-election-manifestos-what-do-we-know-and-what-do-we-think-we-know/

This is eye opening to me - because the Spectator is typically a very pro-conservative paper.

If they have lost faith in the Conservatives, then it really must be bad, I think?

I realise the £2000 was made up but Labour have got to raise money from somewhere and they are being a bit cagey about how much and where from. Starmer keeps saying that he won’t raise tax for ‘working’ people, so I guess they will go for pensions. The school VAT is going to be spread rather thinly otherwise. Their plan for education makes me sad as they are basically going to do nothing but hire some non-existent teachers (that won’t cost them anything I suppose!) and provide free breakfast and childcare (which is actually money going into social work, not education). It is a bit like saying you will improve the nhs by focusing on parking at GPs surgeries and hospitals.

Yes it is. They don’t like Sunak and that is remarkable because several of their people were advising him at one stage. They are scathing about him from Andrew Neill downwards, Fraser Nelson, Kirkup etc

They will be casting around for a new leader - I wonder who?

The Tories really do have contempt for the British public, don't they?

I realise the £2000 was made up but Labour have got to raise money from somewhere and they are being a bit cagey about how much and where from.

True.

Worth noting that the same methodology produced an estimate £3000 for the Tory policies annoucned so far.

"The Office for Budget Responsibility says the Tories plan to increase taxes to 37.1 per cent of GDP by 2028/29. So the 0.6-point increase works out at £20 billion more tax raised in that year than if the tax/GDP ratio (below) had stayed flat.

Add up all four years (as the Tories did for their Labour calculation) and you end up with a £320 rise in year one, £620 in year two, £930 in year three and £1,150 in the final year. So a sum of £3,020 per working household. Except this would be just as misleading as the £2,000 figure that Sunak used so often in the debate last night."

Yes

Sunak is a liar who knows the majority of the media will be on side & unchallenging of his lies. He also thinks the British voters are dim enough to accept the lie. To be fair he has reason to believe this after the last 14 years, with brexit etc.

I'm hoping that fact checking and people relying less on msm will prove him wrong this time.

Wrong thread I think

Guess that title is now taken

I'd already reported it

Ridiculous condescending twit who speaks to the public as if we were all five years old. 🤬