Labour £2000 extra working class families

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I have just been watching the news and saw this as a headline. Does anyone know more about what this will be made up of if they come into power? Starmer didn't seem to answer the question. I did google the policies but couldn't see this. Thank you!

We’ve been paying steadily increasing taxes - direct and indirect for the past 14 years.

In return we have a decimated country.

Perhaps that’s the question we should be asking ourselves.

Absolutely, we bitch that services are stretched, NHS, schools, roads etc but don't want to pay for it. Wake up people, where do you think the money should come from, if not the people using the services, I have spent more than £1000 on private medical this year, need over £2k of fillings but can't afford it, we need to pay to get good services

Who is?

Which posters?

Labour posters revert to these attacks often

we know snippets, like pensioners will be taxed on the state pension, we know vat will be charged on private school fees, we know that we will all need to change our boilers and cars in the next five years for the 2030 target, and we will not have support to do it.

We don’t know anything of the sort apart from VAT on school fees. The other things listed are more Sunak lies.

Labour will have to tax more if they want to spend more on services.

Keir Starmer was opening and closing his mouth like a goldfish on that debate. He doesn't want to outline policy. He doesn't want to tell anyone anything because then he will have to admit that Labour want higher taxation.

Where does that tax come from ? Everyone is hoping that it will come from "the rich", in other words someone richer than them, but that is not going to happen without consequences and even if they try it it will probably not succeed.

More spending = higher taxes for everyone who can pay tax. End of story.

Labour will try to spin it as taxing the rich, but it really will be the squeezed middle that get hit hardest.

Who is?

Which posters?

Calling individual posters liars tends to result in a deletion or a ban, so I am not falling into that trap. Nice try though!

Pretending we we will all suddenly be forced to rip out our gas boilers and replace them with heat pumps is one lie that is being repeated ad nauseum. Along with the £2000 tax lie, even though it has been debunked.

Well yes because couched insults are more the Labour supporter way. I see it often on here from the same few.

When do heat pumps need to be replaced?

Not sure anyone has said straight away. It will be extortionate though for each house, have you looked at the cost?

Who’s paying?

It’s pure conjecture. Nobody knows because we haven’t seen the manifesto. We do know that Sunak was lying about the £2k ergo anyone repeating it is also lying - also known as scaremongering.

Labour are focusing on green policy with housing adjustments. As shown in the debate

Whether this falls in say five years or later on is a huge cost. If anyone wants to look up per house.

Sooner will hit financially, pretty much everyone, there’s no easy way to install at that level it will cost

Plus insulation was mentioned so that too

.Where has all this extra money gone to? Not public services.

As Sophie Ridge said yesterday, £13k in four years makes £2k in five years look like a bargain - and even that isn’t true.

People are already resigned to paying more tax

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/voters-resigned-tax-rises-despite-labour-and-conservative-pledges

I posted this before all of the other news articles saying it wasn't true etc. I haven't done a post like this before so I will time stamp next time.... I guess then it would have seemed more relevant 🤷‍♀️

I hope Labour's manifesto is published soon. It would help stop the speculation and misinformation.

At leats Labour use the taxes to improve public services not line their mates pockets

@Antsinmypantsneedtodance

Historically labour do increase taxes and screw over those working hard. If you watched the debate he was very evasive in answering this. At least for all his negarives sunak can say he has reduced NI. I've noticed a small change in take home pay due to this. I mean its not loads. But at least it's not reduced my take home.

Your grasp of facts and history is tenuous to say the least. Income tax for everyone has increased due to fiscal drag. VAT has increased from 17.5 to 20% under this Tory regime.

I’d like some clarity on the green pledges, well all of them actually

Starmer did talk about the green stuff in the debate so I’m not sure why that doesn’t count. It was his words and promises

I saw somewhere that axing NI - the Tories’ declared aim - would mean income tax rising by 8%. After thinking “No shit, Sherlock”, it occurred to me that’s probably behind the special tax rate for pensioners policy because it would cost every pensioner another 8% while being cost neutral for people of working age. And we all know who used to vote Conservative.

Wait till you see the planned rises in Council Tax

https://x.com/TorstenBell/status/1798613349917503518

Did you hear the part of the debate where Starmer talked about adjusting houses

What did you take it to mean?

Some of us aren’t making assumptions. We’re waiting to see the proposals in black and white. Speculation is pointless until we know what’s on the table, which we certainly can’t deduce from 45 second sound bites.

Here is a bit more information on Labour's clean energy mission until the manifesto comes out

https://labour.org.uk/missions/clean-energy/

People can do what they want it makes no odds to me.

If Starmer is promising various things in one of the few debates before the GE then that’s his decision.

And it’s not ‘misinformation’ to discuss the actual talking points in a debate as claimed by pp.

Maybe people wont be keen on bringing that cost forward

Unlike the VAT policy where someone else will pay, this will be costly to everyone. Countries bringing in this stuff will find it hard as it actually hits people’s wallets. Not some green ideal but financial reality.

It is misrepresentation to suggest people will be forced to buy costly replacement cars, for example when both parties have an identical policy on the deadline for the end of the sale of new petrol/diesel cars - they are just hoping the change occurs under the other party so they can take the blame.

We have moved to a very high proportion of our energy being form renewables in the UK without it being crippling. There is no reason to suppose we can't transition to greener energy at minimal cost - especially as technology and economies of scale help. But Tories prefer to fund their donors and beneficiaries of tax breaks in the oil companies and banks that support them, and kick the can down the road with no thought for the planet.

The next stage is where consumers will feel it financially on a personal level, the hard part

How can replacing a high cost item in every home not be borne either by tax payers or individuals having to just pay?

I don’t think it will go down well, atm it sounds nice sure, it’s green it must be, but what is it £20k per home. Actually looking it up

• Heat pumps cost anywhere from £7,000 to over £30,000 to buy and install, depending on the size of your home and the type

Starmer pledged doing this as an earlier priority in the debate.