Labour £2000 extra working class families

[Hopebridge]

I have just been watching the news and saw this as a headline. Does anyone know more about what this will be made up of if they come into power? Starmer didn't seem to answer the question. I did google the policies but couldn't see this. Thank you!

I suppose I can agree with you that my take home has increased very very slightly as a result of the NI changes, but my mortgage has gone up by £1800 a year thanks to the mess Rishi's party has made of the economy so to suggest Labour are in some way a danger is laughable.

😂I promise you, if you pay attention it is not and has never been strange to hear a left winger not supporting a leader of the Labour party. You might as well say it's very strange to hear good old Nige and the entire membership of Reform not supporting Rishi.

In the highly unlikely event that anyone who doesn't already know which way they're voting comes onto this thread: when posters on here describe things as "scary", they are speaking to us in the patronising language Tory HQ thinks the women of Mumsnet find reassuring, in the hope that we'll be too afraid of things getting even worse to vote for change.

Remember nothing has ever improved as a result of us hiding away and hoping bad things don't happen to us.

Don't forget "terrifying" that is a favourite too.

Well said.

I think your mortgage has gone up due to inflation.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12196322.amp

This is helpful link.

I used the word scary, I assume you’re referring to me.

Some facts for you:

-I’m not Tory HQ
-At the last GE, I didn’t vote
-In the referendum I voted remain
-This time, I don’t know whether to vote at all, because, yes, I find all options scary. If I decide to vote, I don’t know who to vote for.

sorry you don’t approve of my language, but I’ll reiterate that it is a scary situation in my opinion. There are no good options - and I would say that anyone who thinks there is a good option, rather than a least bad option is naive and deluded.

The Tories are absolutely desperate and will be wheeling out one lie after another in the run up to the election. Based on the truth they won't be re-elected so the only route available to them is to take in as many voters as they possibly can with lies.

As a side note, I'm a low earner so understand the fear of raised taxes but I've also recently spent time in hospital with DD. That time in hospital cost me over £1k in lost earnings and other costs. Had we been seen as quickly as we should have been she would have been treated more effectively in the first place meaning much less time in hospital and much less impact on my finances (and that's just focusing on money not all of the other negative fall-out like DD might have died due to the delay in treatment).

The only way the NHS can start to get back to being a more reliable service is with more money and some of that has to come from taxes. Money extremely well spent and would save families money in the long-run.

You can pledge what you want before an election then do what you want after it. Ultimately Labour do not have access to the full facts and figures so what they say is based on assumption. If they win they could enter Parliament and find there is no money and have to raise taxes......remember the note they left the tories in 2010.

BTW im not a Tory voter.....honestly i have no idea who to vote for as my area is a tory save seat! :o(

https://tactical.vote/ that website helps you see how best to tactically vote to get the Tories out!

I just read in the Guardian and the BBC it's being investigated. Sounds like it's a very grey area. Hopefully will all be clear when the manifestos come out. Doesn't sound like they have said where the money will come from 🙈

It's nonsense. Firstly it's over four years and secondly the maths to get to this figure was dubious in the extreme. Ignore.

news.sky.com/story/amp/labour-accuse-sunak-of-lying-over-2-000-tax-attack-during-election-debate-as-treasury-note-casts-doubt-on-claim-13148137

I'm never sure which news channel is the most reliable. None seem to have a clear answer yet.

Under the Tories you’ve paid £13,000 more tax since 2019: https://news.sky.com/story/both-parties-are-in-fantasy-land-but-sunaks-tax-attack-on-labour-is-rich-given-what-his-government-has-cost-voters-13148314

It was a lie.

https://www.kake.com/story/50869170/uk-prime-minister-rishi-sunak-was-just-fact-checked-by-his-own-government

It's not a gray area. It's a lie. Personally I was appalled by Sunak shouting over Starmer and impressed by Starmer as more statesmanlike. Sunak did the same to Truss and look where that led. I thought Sunak was dreadful- happy to put us on the same level as countries that renege on international law, misrepresenting NHS figures and lying about tax.

Both parties will increase taxes. That's the truth. May as well make your decision based on other factors. Higher tax is a given, as are cuts unfortunately

Very much agree.

I’m absolutely not being pedantic but the keep headlining working families, as opposed to the “working class” families you’ve referred to it as.

Im not being arsy but when I keep hearing it I keep wondering if they’re making a point of differentiating between working people and pensioners, who are more often than not also taxpayers

Even an extra £500 is a hell of a lot for the average house just to supposedly improve the NHS. it won't fix it, but even if it did, that's about the cost of the average mid-30s, mid-income person paying for private health insurance.

@Hopebridge remember the 350 million we were told would be freed up for the NHS if we voted for Brexit? This 2k is from the same playbook.

it's based on assumptions they've made on what might appear on a Labour manifesto that has not yet been published. The Permanent Secretary of the Treasury has said Sunak should not present it as a figure verified by the Treasury. Added to which, even if the assumptions were true (they are not) would lead to an annual increase of £500 over four years.

Believe what Sunak said, only if you believe

• Brexit delivered £350 million to the NHS

• Tory special advisors have more of an insight into what will appear in The Labour Party manifesto than Starmer had and

• The Permanent Secretary in the Treasury is not telling the truth.

I'm not sure how anyone could possibly believe what Sunak said.

I’d happily pay the extra tenner a week to get waiting lists down, see a GP, fill the potholes, fund schools, improve social care, reopen the libraries and Sure Start centres and give a huge percentage of this country their lives back.

It's a made up figure by the conservative party to scare people. Independent people have confirmed this.
Also The Spectator who is normally a Conservative leaning magazine has done an analysis of Conservative party policies using the same methodology the Conservatives have used to get to the 2K figure and they say the Conservatives would have to increase taxes by 3k pwe household.
So if you believe the 2k figure you also have to believe the Spectators figures about Tory plans.
Take your choices

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/on-sunaks-maths-tories-will-lift-taxes-by-3000-per-household/