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General election 2024

Farage has announced that he'll be making an announcement...

515 replies

Westfacing · 03/06/2024 12:16

... an 'emergency' announcement, no less.

Presumably to announce he's finally plucked up courage to put his money were his big mouth is and stand for Parliament, after bottling it!

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thefireplace · 06/06/2024 06:35

ThisOldThang · 05/06/2024 17:22

He was elected to the EU Parliament on a manifesto of Britain leaving the EU.

He was reelected multiple times. His party came 2nd and then 1st in terms of vote share. I think it's pretty clear that his voters were happy with his performance as an MEP.

It's bizarre that you're upset that somebody who was publicly dedicated to leaving the EU didn't spend his time working to improve the EU.

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So if i was a anti fox hunter, i should become a fox hunter???

thats a very topsy turvy way of thinking....

The reality is, hardly anyone voted for Farage as an MEP, we british didn't take these elections very seriously.

Farage tried to be an MP and failed 7 x times, losing his deposit on one occasion, hopefully this will be his 8th loss.

He moaned about waste in the EU parliament, whilst taking huge amounts in expenses and enjoying the high life.

He is a fraud and should be in jail.

Zonder · 06/06/2024 06:42

Farage became an MEP for two reasons.

  1. Because it's a decent salary and perks
  2. Because he wanted to cause trouble. His final speech in the European parliament was a disgrace. He thought he was being a maverick sticking two fingers up at the establishment. In reality he was being a petulant toddler who had stayed up past his bedtime.
ThisOldThang · 06/06/2024 08:01

thefireplace · 06/06/2024 06:35

So if i was a anti fox hunter, i should become a fox hunter???

thats a very topsy turvy way of thinking....

The reality is, hardly anyone voted for Farage as an MEP, we british didn't take these elections very seriously.

Farage tried to be an MP and failed 7 x times, losing his deposit on one occasion, hopefully this will be his 8th loss.

He moaned about waste in the EU parliament, whilst taking huge amounts in expenses and enjoying the high life.

He is a fraud and should be in jail.

His voters wanted to leave the EU, but you object to their views being represented. Why do you think that only your views should be represented?

If Sin Fein had attended Westminster and made it clear they wanted to leave the UK, would you object to that? They had a zero attendance record, but still took the salary, does that make them fraudsters that should be in jail?

You just come across as an incredibly bitter Remainer. Yet another person that only believes in democracy when you get your own way. It is the height of petulant immaturity.

Begsthequestion · 06/06/2024 08:50

BIossomtoes · 05/06/2024 17:39

It's bizarre that you're upset that somebody who was publicly dedicated to leaving the EU didn't spend his time working to improve the EU.

It's bizarre that that somebody who was publicly dedicated to leaving the EU was happy to take money from it for a couple of decades. Or it would be if we were talking about anyone with a moral compass.

Exactly

Farage as an MEP was like a vegan sat down to dine on a 10oz t-bone dinner in a steakhouse, loudly declaring with a gob full of flesh how immoral it is to eat meat.

Churchview · 06/06/2024 08:51

There is plenty of information about Labour's plans on their website @FlawlessSquid Plus of course their manifesto will be out soon so you'll be able to read more detail there.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 06/06/2024 09:20

Why the press take such a big interest in his ego driven "announcements", I can't imagine.

What he likes is money and as many cameras as possible.

I doubt his entry into the race is no unplanned as he would have us believe. He's an old fraud.

Abhannmor · 06/06/2024 09:40

Being an MP won't be all honey for Nigel. Other MPs will subject his claims to scrutiny. He will be asked how he intends to solve Britain's complex problems . With some detail - not just parroting sound bites. In other words he will be accountable , which will be a new experience for him.

His problem is this ; what is he actually for ? Brexit of course. But that happened 5 years ago and the Referendum itself was 8 years ago. With mixed results to be diplomatic about it.I have extended family in England and Wales and there is a tacit understanding. Nobody mentions it. Like some crazy aunt in the attic.
Immigration. But it's 4th on voters' list of concerns after Health , Economy and Housing. Nigel does have a policy on health : he wants to sell off the NHS. Has said so on the record. Presumably as a City trader he knows people who'd like a piece of it. Not a popular one Nige , as Fr Ted would say.

It's not an enticing prospect so why has he changed his mind about standing I wonder? It can only be that his prospects in the USA are looking worse with the conviction of his friend and mentor Donald Trump. But this needn't be a terminal problem. If he fails to win in Clacton and Trump wins the White House its game on again.

User135644 · 06/06/2024 09:51

Abhannmor · 06/06/2024 09:40

Being an MP won't be all honey for Nigel. Other MPs will subject his claims to scrutiny. He will be asked how he intends to solve Britain's complex problems . With some detail - not just parroting sound bites. In other words he will be accountable , which will be a new experience for him.

His problem is this ; what is he actually for ? Brexit of course. But that happened 5 years ago and the Referendum itself was 8 years ago. With mixed results to be diplomatic about it.I have extended family in England and Wales and there is a tacit understanding. Nobody mentions it. Like some crazy aunt in the attic.
Immigration. But it's 4th on voters' list of concerns after Health , Economy and Housing. Nigel does have a policy on health : he wants to sell off the NHS. Has said so on the record. Presumably as a City trader he knows people who'd like a piece of it. Not a popular one Nige , as Fr Ted would say.

It's not an enticing prospect so why has he changed his mind about standing I wonder? It can only be that his prospects in the USA are looking worse with the conviction of his friend and mentor Donald Trump. But this needn't be a terminal problem. If he fails to win in Clacton and Trump wins the White House its game on again.

He's got no answers. He's an agitator. He can reel off what he's against but he's got no workable/practical solutions to them.

He thought Truss's budget was great, said Brexit would be great for us economically and for farmers and all the rest of the lies. He's been wrong on everything but because immigration is too high and you've got the boats coming in (another Brexit bonus) he's able to tap into people's anger on that one issue.

This is partly why you need PR voting. People like that need to be shown up for what they are in power, rather than influencing everything from the sidelines.

Farage's own politics is basically Thatcherism on steroids. We saw how well that worked for Truss. The time has passed for that. There's nothing left to sell off and privatisation has not worked.

ThisOldThang · 06/06/2024 10:42

I don't know why people blame the boats on Brexit. The boats started because Calais security is now so good that people can't come in the back of a lorry.

It has nothing to do with Brexit.

GrammarTeacher · 06/06/2024 11:57

ThisOldThang · 06/06/2024 10:42

I don't know why people blame the boats on Brexit. The boats started because Calais security is now so good that people can't come in the back of a lorry.

It has nothing to do with Brexit.

It has everything to do with Brexit! We used to work WITH the French now the government refuse to as a result of Brexit. This has directly led to the increase in boat crossings as there are NO safe routes to claim asylum in the U.K.

ThisOldThang · 06/06/2024 13:05

You want it to be due to Brexit.

It's actually because there's no longer the option of travelling in the back of a lorry.

thefireplace · 06/06/2024 13:43

ThisOldThang · 06/06/2024 08:01

His voters wanted to leave the EU, but you object to their views being represented. Why do you think that only your views should be represented?

If Sin Fein had attended Westminster and made it clear they wanted to leave the UK, would you object to that? They had a zero attendance record, but still took the salary, does that make them fraudsters that should be in jail?

You just come across as an incredibly bitter Remainer. Yet another person that only believes in democracy when you get your own way. It is the height of petulant immaturity.

You ve just made my point, SF didn't attend Westminster did they? they didn't agree with the Westminster Parliament, so didn't take their seats.

Why didn't Farage do the same?

So by your own example, SF had more principals than Farage - Thankyou.

Aside, thanks for the string of (unprovoked) personal insults directed at me, that just shows how weak your argument is and a typical response from the far 'right.

thefireplace · 06/06/2024 13:59

ThisOldThang · 06/06/2024 10:42

I don't know why people blame the boats on Brexit. The boats started because Calais security is now so good that people can't come in the back of a lorry.

It has nothing to do with Brexit.

Nonsense & funny how all these boat crossings coincided with Brexit officially taking place.

15k got across the channel via Lorry/Calais route in 2019 & you will not be able to a single increase in Calais security made in 2019 which made that route untenable.

30k migrants crossed by boat in 2023, why has that number doubled?

Abhannmor · 06/06/2024 13:59

Sinn Féin ran on an Abstentionist policy and have done since 1918 if memory serves. Whereas Farage got elected to the EU parliament and then became an Abstentionist. Except where booze is concerned.

HappiestSleeping · 06/06/2024 14:24

ThisOldThang · 06/06/2024 13:05

You want it to be due to Brexit.

It's actually because there's no longer the option of travelling in the back of a lorry.

Well, we don't actually know that, do we? Those illegally entering the UK successfully by way of a lorry are not caught, so there is no metric for tracking them. What we do know is that, bar a few blips, the number detected has not significantly changed over the last five years. If that is the case it suggests to me that the same numbers are trying and proportionally succeeding.

What we know for certain though, is that, as @GrammarTeacher pointed out, the French government used to assist us pre-Brexit and prevented a large number of small boats from leaving France. They don't do this now, so a greater number of small boats leave France, many of which arrive in England. This means that the number of small boat crossings has increased since, and as a direct result of Brexit.

Abhannmor · 06/06/2024 14:35

Hard to resist though.

Farage has announced that he'll be making an announcement...
MILTOBE · 06/06/2024 14:38

ThisOldThang · 06/06/2024 13:05

You want it to be due to Brexit.

It's actually because there's no longer the option of travelling in the back of a lorry.

There's no arguing with stupid.

MILTOBE · 06/06/2024 14:45

By that I mean that if you can't see how much Brexit has affected this topic then you really need to educate yourself some more.

Swingingvvoter · 06/06/2024 16:17

When is he debating

User135644 · 06/06/2024 16:31

ThisOldThang · 06/06/2024 13:05

You want it to be due to Brexit.

It's actually because there's no longer the option of travelling in the back of a lorry.

Before Brexit we could return them to France - that was the deterrent. Now we can't once they're on our shores, so they know they just have to cross the channel.

Abhannmor · 06/06/2024 17:12

Swingingvvoter · 06/06/2024 16:17

When is he debating

Why should he bother. He can just make announcements like ' this is an immigration election" and the media promptly agree. He's on Question Time so often many people just assume he works for the BBC now I reckon.

Swingingvvoter · 06/06/2024 17:13

@Abhannmor.. Yeah sure
. But when is on the TV debates.
It was a question, not canvassing for opinion.

thefireplace · 06/06/2024 20:09

User135644 · 06/06/2024 16:31

Before Brexit we could return them to France - that was the deterrent. Now we can't once they're on our shores, so they know they just have to cross the channel.

Yes funny how the almost zero chance to get deported Rwanda is supposed to be a deterrent but the very real chance of being returned to France is no deterrent.

ThisOldThang · 06/06/2024 23:20

It's almost like you're living in a fantasy world.

Why on earth would deportation to France be a deterrent?

It's a safe country and part of your precious EU.

Surely being sent to France is a bonus compared to evil racist Brexit Britain?

But still they come....

HappiestSleeping · 07/06/2024 05:11

ThisOldThang · 06/06/2024 23:20

It's almost like you're living in a fantasy world.

Why on earth would deportation to France be a deterrent?

It's a safe country and part of your precious EU.

Surely being sent to France is a bonus compared to evil racist Brexit Britain?

But still they come....

Because they have already crossed France to get here, so France clearly isn't their desired destination.

They believe (incorrectly), that the UK will offer better circumstance than France will. Free money, free house etc. None of which is actually true, but they have been sold this bullshit by the traffickers.

Planning to send them to Rwanda, or anywhere else for that matter, is unlikely to change this.