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General election 2024

Farage has announced that he'll be making an announcement...

515 replies

Westfacing · 03/06/2024 12:16

... an 'emergency' announcement, no less.

Presumably to announce he's finally plucked up courage to put his money were his big mouth is and stand for Parliament, after bottling it!

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BIossomtoes · 04/06/2024 19:41

Lonelycrab · 04/06/2024 19:35

Well maybe I’m wrong I know, but the resemblance is uncanny.

Quite uncanny. Colour me astounded.

AmpleFatball · 04/06/2024 19:44

If you look at other photos of the milkshake thrower (the daily mail has jumped at the opportunity to publish photos from her onlyfans), it’s obviously not the same woman as the one Farage is groping on the last page.

OneRedSandal · 04/06/2024 19:46

I read a tweet years ago that said something like 'Every general election brings either the appointment or resignation of Nigel Farage, sometimes both'. He really is a bad smell that just won't fuck off.

thefireplace · 04/06/2024 20:06

TinklySnail · 04/06/2024 19:18

Have you not cared for an elderly relative at home? It’s quite doable even with kids in tow.
FE is not always available and although pretty essential to get on, some can’t or don’t do it.
There are many 16-18 year olds who haven’t completed FE

Lol You don't know what you re talking about.

Toileting, falls, feeding... and the 24/7 nature of caring for frail/elderly.

Thats me out with you, you re clearly clueless

TinklySnail · 04/06/2024 20:11

thefireplace · 04/06/2024 20:06

Lol You don't know what you re talking about.

Toileting, falls, feeding... and the 24/7 nature of caring for frail/elderly.

Thats me out with you, you re clearly clueless

I have recently cared for my mother, in her own home, who had dementia. She died at home, with us all around her.
Don't call me clueless

Churchview · 04/06/2024 20:36

Whoever the woman is in the first photo his 'embrace' of her is very grim.

There's been so much talk of whether politicians know what a woman is lately.........well here's Farage on women.

He supported Trump over the 'grab 'em by the pussy' saga by saying it was just the sort of thing men say when they were with other men and have had a few beers.

He also said that his stance on women in the military had been formed because 'I've got so many women pregnant over the years'.

On breastfeeding he said women should 'sit in the corner' and that women returning from maternity leave are worth less pay.

I wonder what Reform UK (the company of which he is the major shareholder) will do for women???

Tallerandtall · 05/06/2024 05:11

@ThisOldThang

that’s a very fine line to be honest.
calling Farage just grass routes shows that you are ok believing the lies that comes out of his mouth. I feel sorry for you.

ThisOldThang · 05/06/2024 06:01

What's a fine line?

What do you think I've called him?

Your comment doesn't make much sense.

lljkk · 05/06/2024 07:32

BloodyHellKenAgain · 04/06/2024 09:56

TBF he kicked of a stink about his Coutts bank account because they treated him appallingly. That's nothing to do with him being 'establishment'.

Neither is him bring privately educated. I know lots of people who were privately educated and they are all ordinary people my own youngest child included.

who says that being Establishment isn't "ordinary" ?
Isn't that the point, that Establishment = Status quo?

Or does "Establishment" now mean "Elite" or privileged or influential or vested interest in the status quo?
Farage is arguably every single one of those things, too. His "disruptive" presence has become our status quo.

What the hell is "Establishment", anyway?

BloodyHellKenAgain · 05/06/2024 07:38

lljkk · 05/06/2024 07:32

who says that being Establishment isn't "ordinary" ?
Isn't that the point, that Establishment = Status quo?

Or does "Establishment" now mean "Elite" or privileged or influential or vested interest in the status quo?
Farage is arguably every single one of those things, too. His "disruptive" presence has become our status quo.

What the hell is "Establishment", anyway?

I assumed the PP was using 'establishment' in the same way some people use 'elites'.

Katypp · 05/06/2024 08:26

The problem as far as I can see it is there are no nuances, sense or critical thought processes on this thread especially.
People don't like NF, I get that. I am not especially fond of him myself.
But no one can post anything that is in the most remote way positive without getting piled on and shouted down.
It's the same with Sunak. Again, the MN hive don't like him, but that doesn't mean every. Single. Thing. About him is awful.
I can't stand Starmer personally but I recognise he has brought some calm to the Labour Party. I really can't stand Rayner but I admire that she has worked astonishingly hard to get where she is. I don't like Corbin but I recognise he is very charismatic and can work a crowd.
Not seeing anything good about someone you don't like is childish in the extreme.

HappiestSleeping · 05/06/2024 08:40

Katypp · 05/06/2024 08:26

The problem as far as I can see it is there are no nuances, sense or critical thought processes on this thread especially.
People don't like NF, I get that. I am not especially fond of him myself.
But no one can post anything that is in the most remote way positive without getting piled on and shouted down.
It's the same with Sunak. Again, the MN hive don't like him, but that doesn't mean every. Single. Thing. About him is awful.
I can't stand Starmer personally but I recognise he has brought some calm to the Labour Party. I really can't stand Rayner but I admire that she has worked astonishingly hard to get where she is. I don't like Corbin but I recognise he is very charismatic and can work a crowd.
Not seeing anything good about someone you don't like is childish in the extreme.

I don't like him, but I posted that I admire his ability to tap into his target demographic. The fact that he has a political platform having accomplished nothing of any consequence in politics is quite an achievement. Before anyone says anything, I don't count Brexit as an accomplishment. I agree he contributed to it, but since they all ran away with their tails between their legs following the referendum result, without any plan of what came next, it was definitely a failure. Success would have been "right, we've won, here's what we're going to do" which was sadly missing.

He definitely has charisma, but then, so did Hitler by all accounts (he was ENTJ if you're into such theories).

bombastix · 05/06/2024 09:00

Katypp · 05/06/2024 08:26

The problem as far as I can see it is there are no nuances, sense or critical thought processes on this thread especially.
People don't like NF, I get that. I am not especially fond of him myself.
But no one can post anything that is in the most remote way positive without getting piled on and shouted down.
It's the same with Sunak. Again, the MN hive don't like him, but that doesn't mean every. Single. Thing. About him is awful.
I can't stand Starmer personally but I recognise he has brought some calm to the Labour Party. I really can't stand Rayner but I admire that she has worked astonishingly hard to get where she is. I don't like Corbin but I recognise he is very charismatic and can work a crowd.
Not seeing anything good about someone you don't like is childish in the extreme.

Farage has a significant ability to whip up people’s base emotions. The question is not really whether there is good in him. Presumably like all people he displays certain behaviour that is good, meeting social requirements etc.

However, it would be very naive to simply judge someone on that if they are politically active. Farage is seeking to influence matters. Is that positive or negative? What does he say? And he is absolutely consistent in a negative, fear mongering approach which is dominant and very little practical detail on what he might do to address these problems he claims exists.

Some people will be captured by that. They will feel recognized by his statements. They won’t ask anything more of him: probably because he is engaging with their prejudices.

HappiestSleeping · 05/06/2024 09:04

bombastix · 05/06/2024 09:00

Farage has a significant ability to whip up people’s base emotions. The question is not really whether there is good in him. Presumably like all people he displays certain behaviour that is good, meeting social requirements etc.

However, it would be very naive to simply judge someone on that if they are politically active. Farage is seeking to influence matters. Is that positive or negative? What does he say? And he is absolutely consistent in a negative, fear mongering approach which is dominant and very little practical detail on what he might do to address these problems he claims exists.

Some people will be captured by that. They will feel recognized by his statements. They won’t ask anything more of him: probably because he is engaging with their prejudices.

Absolutely. Everything these days is fear driven from advertising to politics. If you don't use this shampoo, your hair will be shit etc etc.

Churchview · 05/06/2024 09:22

Good points you make there @Katypp .

Trying to apply critical thinking to Farage I would say that he is obviously very good at self promotion. He is fiercely determined as evidenced by his repeatedly putting himself for election. He is very good at getting his point across.

It's so hard to do this though because everything you hear about him - from schoolboy (singing Hitler youth songs?) to the present day is that he seeks to destroy the things that benefit the majority and to divide society.

He mixes with such questionable people - from Donald Trump to Aaron Banks to Andrew Tate.

The sources of his funding are so highly questionable.

He failed to represent the people who voted for him in the European Parliament by not attending and, on the few occasions he was there behaving like a petulant child.

Making sure he kept the ability to travel freely in Europe whilst working tirelessly to remove that freedom from tens of millions of people.

His history of supporting people with misogynist view is abhorrent. He himself says his views of women were formed by 'getting so many women pregnant'.

His views on immigrants are appalling e.g. the poster, immigrants make the traffic bad etc

He supports blood sports including fox and stag hunting.

I remember him doing one of those lighthearted articles in a paper where two people chat over a meal together. He met with Rachel Johnson who was balanced, polite and kept it light. God did he bang away with his 'views' and putdowns and constant needling.

I wonder if he is ever kind or pleasant? I wonder if he ever considers other people? He doesn't seem to understand that boasting and putting people down is universally accepted as a horrible thing to do - and he gets away with it because of the politeness of others.

This is key for me. Why should we apply critical thinking, be balanced and polite, to a man who does not do the same? We are enabling it if we do, are we not?

It's very hard to form a balanced view of a person who spends so much of their own energy seeking to unbalance other people and systems.

To me he is the political version of John Lydon. A man who formed his 'fuck the system', nihilistic, anarchist views in teenage and hasn't evolved in any way. A man on whom nuance, education, learning from mistakes, the appreciation of the wisdom that come with age is wasted.

What seems like fighting spirit and youthful vigor in a young person looks pathetic and deeply unimpressive in a man of 60.

There is a type of person who is so beef faced and such a blunt instrument that life's experiences do not round their corners. Nigel Farage is one of those people.

HappiestSleeping · 05/06/2024 09:41

Churchview · 05/06/2024 09:22

Good points you make there @Katypp .

Trying to apply critical thinking to Farage I would say that he is obviously very good at self promotion. He is fiercely determined as evidenced by his repeatedly putting himself for election. He is very good at getting his point across.

It's so hard to do this though because everything you hear about him - from schoolboy (singing Hitler youth songs?) to the present day is that he seeks to destroy the things that benefit the majority and to divide society.

He mixes with such questionable people - from Donald Trump to Aaron Banks to Andrew Tate.

The sources of his funding are so highly questionable.

He failed to represent the people who voted for him in the European Parliament by not attending and, on the few occasions he was there behaving like a petulant child.

Making sure he kept the ability to travel freely in Europe whilst working tirelessly to remove that freedom from tens of millions of people.

His history of supporting people with misogynist view is abhorrent. He himself says his views of women were formed by 'getting so many women pregnant'.

His views on immigrants are appalling e.g. the poster, immigrants make the traffic bad etc

He supports blood sports including fox and stag hunting.

I remember him doing one of those lighthearted articles in a paper where two people chat over a meal together. He met with Rachel Johnson who was balanced, polite and kept it light. God did he bang away with his 'views' and putdowns and constant needling.

I wonder if he is ever kind or pleasant? I wonder if he ever considers other people? He doesn't seem to understand that boasting and putting people down is universally accepted as a horrible thing to do - and he gets away with it because of the politeness of others.

This is key for me. Why should we apply critical thinking, be balanced and polite, to a man who does not do the same? We are enabling it if we do, are we not?

It's very hard to form a balanced view of a person who spends so much of their own energy seeking to unbalance other people and systems.

To me he is the political version of John Lydon. A man who formed his 'fuck the system', nihilistic, anarchist views in teenage and hasn't evolved in any way. A man on whom nuance, education, learning from mistakes, the appreciation of the wisdom that come with age is wasted.

What seems like fighting spirit and youthful vigor in a young person looks pathetic and deeply unimpressive in a man of 60.

There is a type of person who is so beef faced and such a blunt instrument that life's experiences do not round their corners. Nigel Farage is one of those people.

I don't think it's a fair comparison to John Lydon. He has his public and private persona, granted, but he loved his wife deeply, nursed her in failing health, took on her child as his own, and his step grandchildren as his own when his step daughter died, and subsequently his wife. I may be grossly underestimating Farage, but I really can't see him being so generous of heart.

Churchview · 05/06/2024 09:48

@HappiestSleeping You're quite right.

ThisOldThang · 05/06/2024 09:55

HappiestSleeping · 05/06/2024 08:40

I don't like him, but I posted that I admire his ability to tap into his target demographic. The fact that he has a political platform having accomplished nothing of any consequence in politics is quite an achievement. Before anyone says anything, I don't count Brexit as an accomplishment. I agree he contributed to it, but since they all ran away with their tails between their legs following the referendum result, without any plan of what came next, it was definitely a failure. Success would have been "right, we've won, here's what we're going to do" which was sadly missing.

He definitely has charisma, but then, so did Hitler by all accounts (he was ENTJ if you're into such theories).

David Cameron banned the Civil Service from preparing for a Leave outcome. That's why there was chaos immediately after the result. You can't blame Farage, who was campaigning for Brexit, for Cameron's hubris.

HappiestSleeping · 05/06/2024 10:06

ThisOldThang · 05/06/2024 09:55

David Cameron banned the Civil Service from preparing for a Leave outcome. That's why there was chaos immediately after the result. You can't blame Farage, who was campaigning for Brexit, for Cameron's hubris.

I think I can. Cameron may well have banned the civil service from preparing, but that didn't stop Farage or anyone else having a plan. Rather than step up to the plate after the referendum with "righto, this is what we do now we've won", he resigned. Having sown his dissent, he stepped away, and then criticised from the sidelines. It couldn't be any more ridiculous.

ThisOldThang · 05/06/2024 10:10

Resigned from what? He wasn't in government.

It wasn't his job to prepare a plan that would have run to 100,000+ pages covering dozens of scenarios.

Do you understand how government works? Who's in power and who's not?

It's like blaming Bono for not having a intricate plan for how to implement Developing World debt relief.

HappiestSleeping · 05/06/2024 10:27

ThisOldThang · 05/06/2024 10:10

Resigned from what? He wasn't in government.

It wasn't his job to prepare a plan that would have run to 100,000+ pages covering dozens of scenarios.

Do you understand how government works? Who's in power and who's not?

It's like blaming Bono for not having a intricate plan for how to implement Developing World debt relief.

Edited

Resigned from his party. And yes I do know how government works. I would expect though, that someone who had campaigned tirelessly for Brexit on the basis that being a part of the EU was such a bad thing would have at least had one single suggestion of how the UK should approach life having decided to leave. He did not. It looked to me more like his view was "great, I've thrown the spanner, all the spokes have broken, I'm off to the pub".

greenlettuce · 05/06/2024 11:05

Many feel that they aren't listened to in the UK, Nigel Farage appears to represent their views - he comes across as anti the political establishment. Clearly he knows how the game works and is using it to mobilise support. His views echo significant number of the UK population - we live in a democratic country and people are entitled to express their views.

I don't agree with his views but I feel that he is clear as to what he represents and as I said before I feel we need straight talking politicians from across the spectrum.

lljkk · 05/06/2024 12:40

Farage/Brexit/BoJo/Trump get support from people who otherwise are inclined to be disengaged from politics/bothering to vote at all, and who tend to be in a low socio demographic and tend also to be white ("not college educated" Americans would say).

So in their case, I guess that "establishment" or "deep state" = "all the forces our listeners suspect are keeping them from being successful in life but seem to help make other people successful and our supporters are pissed off about that". Plus some supporters who grab onto Trump/BoJo coat-tails out of 100% self-interest that they might personally benefit, too.

That's why "Establishment" means nothing. It can only ever mean = "Whoever and whatever our listeners resent". I've always said that Trump is deeply unAmerican because he encourages resenting others for their success. I can hardly think of a more unAmerican value.

I am mulling over what Mollie JongFast was talking about in her Monday podcast this week, how Trump's support doesn't reach down ballot. How pro-Trump protesters were conspicuous by their absence at DJT's Manhatten trial. Is that evidence of how shallow the "anti-establishment" movement is?

HappiestSleeping · 05/06/2024 12:42

greenlettuce · 05/06/2024 11:05

Many feel that they aren't listened to in the UK, Nigel Farage appears to represent their views - he comes across as anti the political establishment. Clearly he knows how the game works and is using it to mobilise support. His views echo significant number of the UK population - we live in a democratic country and people are entitled to express their views.

I don't agree with his views but I feel that he is clear as to what he represents and as I said before I feel we need straight talking politicians from across the spectrum.

Clearly he knows how the game works and is using it to mobilise support

Exactly this. The part that amazes me is what I was referring to with the Brexit thing. He will mobilise support, but when he has it, what will he do? Walk away again? He doesn't have any credibility for actually taking action of any sort.

It is a shame that neither of the main parties have his ability to do this. They really could learn a lesson from him. Then we would have someone with decent views, and Farage's ability to rally the troops.

CormorantStrikesBack · 05/06/2024 12:45

He’s the British equivalent of Trump and I am a bit concerned he might be our next PM. People are fed up with the Tories and don’t trust Labour. They will look for an Alternative. Like people have said Farage is very charismatic in a way neither Starmer or Sunak are. Couple that with the fact an awful lot of people are still ranting about the boats and illegal immigrants, etc I think it could be a recipe for disaster.

i never thought Trump would be president, I never thought Brexit would happen yet here we are.

god help us.