Is Starmer really lying as some in the media suggest?

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Just watched this which is interesting- I'm not sure how many of these have officially been rolled back on and why, but will be useful to have the manifesto sooner rather than later.

Aaron Bastani is a paid disruptor. He was at the front of Corbynism and would never support Starmer. He so self aggrandising that I wouldn’t believe a word that comes out his mouth.

Thanks for the context @Ratsoffasinkingsauage always useful.

Qho knows but the situation with Diane Abbott is not looking good at all.

He’s already shown that he’s willing to lie to camera - he said on GMB a few weeks ago that he’d had conversations with Rosie Duffield not long after she gave a print interview in which she said she’d not heard from him for years and that she (and other backbench MPs) were being kept at arms length. She even clarified after his interview that he had not spoken to her and yet no one in the mainstream media has challenged him on this.

That may be true but presumably what he's saying can be easily proved or disproved?

Fantastic, let’s make these gripes so huge that it throws Labour off track completely and we end up with five more years of Tory rule.

I wonder who has the greatest interest in making that happen!!

Sire Kier is not perfect. But he’s also more likely to win an election than the loons in Momentum. They had their crack at it and failed miserably (don’t hit me with you stupid stats about vote share).

The first response to that on twitter was also interesting. Pointed out that until he's in power he can't actually activate all of them anyway.

I'm asking a straightforward question. Has he lied, yes or no? Are you saying it's ok if he does lie, as long as he doesn't lie as much as other politicians?

I think that guy was actually saying he couldn't even spot 2 that were still on track.

It was a woman literally saying what I said. You must have seen a different response.

So you weren't complaining when Boris lied, that was also okay then?

Boris lied left right and centre and all through covid too.

I think anyone can make mistakes or not keep track of every detail but Boris was outright lying.

@Zonder ah ok, my apologies- the first response I can see is by 'Phil Samuels'

We've had Liz Truss since 2020 and Ukraine.

Why don't you put up a video of Sunak/Hunt wanting to increase NI to fund adult social care but 4 years later reversing this policy?

Holding a party or leader (either Tory or Labour) to things said in opposition 4 years ago is infantile.

But so many of them? Really?

I've voted Labour all my life, I'm 66, and I've never felt so upset about the state of the Labour Party as I do now.
They're an absolute shambles and will win the election purely because the Tories are so bad not because they inspire any confidence.

They can't run a party, how will they run a country?

Of course he is. He’s a politician. It’s in the job description.

Are you also bothered about the huge number of lies the Tories have made? Or is it just Sir Kier? I wonder how many of these threads are started by Conservative Central Office?

Do you think people are that stupid? We’ve seen what a Tory Government does to the country: potholes, crumbling NHS, police service that doesn’t bother to investigate crime, privatising services that cost way more money then give it all to overseas shareholders leaving sewage in our waterways and trains that are routinely cancelled. Meanwhile the economy isn’t even booming, which is the main point of a Tory Administration after all.

If that record is what makes you rush to the ballot box then fill your boots. I haven’t seen this country in such a state for decades.

@thefireplace - and the point is more that he told Sky's Beth Rigby that he's kept to 'most of his ten pledges'. So even he's not trying to say oh well, it was four years ago. Things have changed.

He's just being disingenuous.

They all about money, money we probably had in 2020 but don't now and i forgot about the cost of Covid too.

Things change, you'd soon be moaning Labour are a tax and spend party if he kept to those 10 pledges.

How's it going with Sunaks 5 pledges? is he a liar too? or just an under deliverer?

I don't even understand this thread and what is is wanting to achieve. I don't know how I will vote in this election, none of the options seem hugely appealing, but if anything I'm probably a Tory voter in the past overall. That is just to point out that I have zero skin in the game on defending Labour here.

Surely what Starmer would mean from his statement is that those pledges are still what Labour would like to put in place, should they come in to power - i.e. they are the priorities for a Labour government of the future?

Obviously they have not been in government, so they have not been able to influence any of them thus far. How on earth would they have done?

@Pelham678 you're proving my point entirely - it's ok if one politician lies because all of them do.

I'm not voting Tory and I'm certainly not from Tory HQ. I'm concerned about KS presenting himself and the LP as the 'honest, decent' alternative to the Tories. A lot of their actions recently suggest otherwise.

@MuscariFan if you look at the pledges, they have already been rolled back on or labour has said they won't be implementing the detail of what's in them (not in so many words, but for example, the green deal has been watered down, they've said they won't change income tax etc etc)

As to what I'm seeking to 'achieve' from this thread - I would have thought that was obvious - it's a question about Labour's honesty and transparency in the run-up to the GE. Which is why I said it would be great to see the manifesto sooner rather than later.

For good or ill, he’s completely ruthless.

You’re proving my point entirely. You’re only bothered by one party leader lying and just pretending that you have no skin in the game.

It’s so transparent, it’s laughable!