Is Starmer really lying as some in the media suggest?

[JimBobsWife]

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Just watched this which is interesting- I'm not sure how many of these have officially been rolled back on and why, but will be useful to have the manifesto sooner rather than later.

Presumably you have an interest in making everyone believe Kier Starmer is a liar. Could I also presume you’d like the Tories to win on the 4th?

Don’t you realise lying is 100% ok now for Tory voters? After 14 years of utter bullshit coming out of the government we’re post truth now. Especially Boris Johnson who literally feels uncomfortable telling the truth, it’s like poison to him. So why are you bothered about pointing out who’s a liar?

As far as i can see, subject to the manifesto, Labour still have them BUT watered down versions.

Is anyone against Social & Economic Justice? Climate change? Peace and Human rights? well yes, the Tories are.

Then we have this guy Bastani.... hardly an unbiased player.

@Pelham678 I am not bothered by Rishi or Ed, or any of the others, because they aren't going to win. I'm bothered by the likely leader of the next government saying one thing and meaning/doing another.

That's not laughable. It's concerning given the state of politics.

@thefireplace Is anyone unbiased in politics?

The Tory government are known liars and you're focusing on starmer who has a damm sight more integrity than the whole lot of them?

@bozzabollix I've already said I'm not voting Tory - I don't want them to win. I want them in opposition for a long time.

Is it so hard to believe that anyone who questions KS is automatically NOT Tory?

But you’ve had this for 14 years of Tories, if Starmer is a massive bullshitter then it’s no change at all to what we’ve had. Why are you bothered about a potential liar when the government are confirmed liars? They could get in again and with the Tories you’d have definite liars.

Time for a change and an opportunity to maybe not have bullshit.

Ok, so this thread is not about answering my question - it's going to be about 'well the Tories lie more'.

Yes, they probably do, almost certainly.

But I didn't ask that question - I asked a different one. Would love to hear from someone who actually wants to answer it.

@bozzabollix I'm bothered because - as I've already said - he's presenting himself as an honest alternative. Not more of the same.

@JimBobsWife i don’t understand why you’ve written this if you want Labour to win, it’s basically smearing your own choice. In writing this some bellend may come along and just think ‘Starmer is no better, I’ll keep voting Tory or not vote at all’. Then what do we have, another five years of confirmed bullshitters. This post makes no sense at all unless you want Starmer to not have a chance (and for the good of this sinking country he needs one).

it seems not to matter as Starmer lies as he is not a Tory and that makes everything ok. The MSM are being very careful around him atm. Its a shame that he has made such a mess of the Abbott situation because I do think he is looking more electable.
He has the hard left anti-Semites to deal with but he seems to be trying to do this. The woman issue is more ingrained as he seems to be all in on this himself - I am hoping in the debate next week he will clarify or even backtrack as Streeting has done - that would give me hope.

Where did I say who I want to win? I haven't. I just said I don't want the Tories to win - not the same as wanting Labour to win.

I asked a question that no-one wants to answer because it's more important that the Tories are out than a decent party is in. It's so depressing that we're not willing to look closely at our politicians anymore and hold them to account for what they say.

But they have been in power for the past 14 years. Pledges made 4 years ago dont matter. The only thing that matters is the election manifesto that will be voted on in the general election. Most people won't vote on things Labour promised 4 years ago in opposition. Aaron Bastani is a Corbynite. They are all kicking off now because they have been put away in their sealed tomb as they always are when Labour has a fighting chance of winning, because it just reinforces that they cannot win an election from the Left. Its not lying if you change your plans to match changing circumstances. It's what you have to do if you aren't going to be mired in promises you made that you can't possibly carry out because circumstances have changed.

It's going to be interesting to read what actually remains on the manifesto once it is published. They seem to be shedding policies and commitments quicker than my kid loses Pokemon cards.

Are you also bothered about the huge number of lies the Tories have made? Or is it just Sir Kier? I wonder how many of these threads are started by Conservative Central Office?

So tiresome. Really. 🙄

@DramaLlamaBangBang Neither I nor Aaron B are saying that pledges made 4 years must be stuck to upon pain of death. That's not reasonable.

What's problematic is that he's telling Sky News he's stuck to most of them. Has he?

Keir Starmer may lie by omission on occasions.

Boris Johnson lied about almost everything, including in his private life, and Rishi Sunak was prepared to be in government with him.

A better class of lying then? Still lying. 😂

Here’s my straight forward question: what do you prefer, the Tories again, or an elected Labour government that isn’t as ideologically pure as you’d prefer.

Those are your two choices. Wanging on about Kier Starmer helps risk another 5 years of this current incompetent and corrupt Conservative bunch.

@Porridgeislife I'd prefer someone else

How about we try to hold those who seek to represent us to a higher standard than 'well yes he's a liar but he doesn't lie as much as the other one'?

We deserve better.

I would like a government that doesn't lie but not nearly as much as a government not intent on forcing me to lie.

He’s still doing better than a prime minister that led us to Brexit to solve a party factional war, a PM who couldn’t wrangle her party to deliver anything workable on Brexit, a PM who partied through Brexit, wrote a book and took endless freebies whilst lying through his back teeth, a PM who temporarily crashed the economy and a billionaire PM who is petulant and can't understand why we don’t love him.

But sure, Kier’s the issue here.

We have six weeks. There isn’t time to wang on about how the only credible alternative isn’t as perfect as Momentum wants. We need to get someone elected who isn’t the Conservatives. That’s how the UK electoral system work.

If starmer gets in he’s going to make truss look like the best prime minister ever. It is going to be an utter shit show. And we will have four years of it.

nearly all his pledges are gone, of course he’s not putting vat on school fees, he’s not an idiot and knows the impact on the state sector.

him and raynor lie through their teeth, put up bullshit pledges and are now shitting it people might expect them to be put in place.

it is a complete disaster waiting to happen. For the economy, for women, and for so many ethic demographics.