Is Starmer really lying as some in the media suggest?

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Just watched this which is interesting- I'm not sure how many of these have officially been rolled back on and why, but will be useful to have the manifesto sooner rather than later.

Who else? It would be easier if you just said who, even though the choice is currently Starmer or Sunak. If you want ' someone else' vote for a party that endorses PR. Neither Labour, even under Corbyn did that, or the Tories do, although Labour have at least talked about constitutional reform.

Your choice is Rishi Sunak or Keir Starmer. In six weeks, one of those men will be prime minister.

I swear some true Labourites would prefer another term in opposition than to be elected without their preferred Dear Leader.

I agree. It's very obvious and gas been since Starmer became leader.

The current MN script.

Poster comes on with random 'fact-ette' often purely opinion or from dubious source.

'fact-ette' is framed as a question that MNetters are unable to answer unless they are actually involved in the situation. They are not involved in the situation.

Question is always non-specific so as to be impossible to answer succinctly e.g. Why is hasn't Keir Starmer done something about Diane Abbot'.

Answer isn't answered succinctly so a vague hint of 'ohh, what if that's right' pervades.

Despite multiple posters saying 'but this is a small thing in relation to the state we are in now because of the Tories' OP will bang on and on with same 'question/stance'.

OP is NEVER voting Tory. We are wrong to assume they are.

OP is not happy with the current situation re: Tory shit show - but still bangs on and on trying to rubbish the only party with a cat in hell's chance of beating them at the General Election.

When a poster actually answers OPs question with some decent answer, OP will swerve onto something slightly unrelated and we are on repeat.

OP either disappears or is DistinguishedSocialCommentator and will start another thread in 12 minutes.

It's obviously going to be one or the other though isn't it. Let's concentrate on GTTO first ay.

I'm voting Labour because my local candidate is great and because of Angela Rayner. She's a legend.

Get the Tories out and then hope there is some way in which they are meaningfully different? Or hope that they become in some way meaningfully different? Or is a change in colour enough?

Yes, selling international policy to your local constituents is really over-delivering.

I asked a question that no-one wants to answer
You asked a question that nobody here can answer, but that posters have already told you is based on an unreliable source.

@Churchview is AB unreliable because he's further left than Starmer?

His tweet isn't even subjective so the point about reliability doesn't stand.

This is the problem that lots of traditional Tory voters have - they want to move but KS is not credible enough.

I don't want to vote for ANYONE in this GE. But I may be forced to vote Labour as the least worst option. So I'm doing my research.

Is anyone else doing theirs, or just voting Labour because they're not blue?

How by any measure is this a 'fact-ette' - presumably not a real fact. It's the very essence of a fact - has Keir ditched all his ten pledges but is still saying he hasn't?

This thread is so depressing.

Don't dare criticise KS unless you have absolute, concrete proof he's done something wrong. He might lie (by omission - whatever that means) but he's not as bad as the Tories.

Don't think too hard about where your vote is going, just get the Tories out.

None of the posts above have given any info about KS and how he stands on his own merits. It's all comparison with the shit Tories.

No. @Ratsoffasinkingsauage already told you he's unreliable because he's a paid disruptor.

Even if he is a paid disruptor, does that mean everything he says is unreliable and/or untrue? Even if his post isn't subjective?

NOone lies as much as the tories!
Let's focus on the task in hand of getting rid of them please 🌹🌹🌹

Indeed.

I do think it is a good rule in life not to make accusations until you are sure they are true, because if you’re wrong then you become the liar.

That Aaron Bastani tweet is a classic of the genre. Starmer made those pledges years ago, and then didn’t become Prime Minister. How can you hold him to pledges he made IF he got into power when he didn’t?

He’s not lying. He was just offering ideas for that moment. The world has changed since then so his offer had to change.

This right here is why Labour never won under Momentum. Because the general public could see how inflexible their ideology was and how they would gladly sacrifice the well being of the country to ideological purity.

What is at stake is people’s live- every day people. They want someone who will work for them, not just some ideal.

OP either disappears or is DistinguishedSocialCommentator and will start another thread in 12 minutes

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I agree.

@Ratsoffasinkingsauage I don't disagree with that principle. So why is he saying he's stuck to most of them? Is he assuming people won't check? Like Beth Rigby of Sky News who just wants to suck up the rhetoric?

Come on OP. Of course people (well, most people) do their research.
People read widely, follow the news, will read manifestos when available, attend hustings and observe the world around them after 14 years of Tory rule.

Integrity is important to most right thinking people.

So is researching the credibility of sources.

I would, within reason, vote for the party most likely to beat the Conservatives in my ward because of all of the above. That is Labour and I am happy to vote for them because I remember how much better the country was the last time Labour were in power. Their policies align more closely with my values. Also, I believe that whilst Keir Starmer is only human he has proven throughout his life that he is committed to serving his country.

I may have to disappear to do some actual work - hope that's ok by you.

I don't think positively about him, he's just less bad than the current Tory party. He said things to get elected then changed. I see some positives, what they say on planning, ditching some of the far lefties, but still don't think I can trust or like him. Still the Tories don't deserve another term.