Would you vote for this lot if they "protected women's rights"??

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IMO, for millions this may be a deal breaker.

I'm all for equality and that stuff, etc. However, reading Labour stance on women rights Vs Conservatives stance on women's rights.

Will Labour voters who are ladies vote Conservatives just because of their stance on 'women's rights'?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/16/rishi-sunak-amend-equality-act-single-sex-spaces-sport/

I don't think it's as black and white as voting for the Tories or labour. I will be spoiling my vote unless Labour come out with something better than they have done to date on women's rights. I won't be voting for them just because they're not the Tories.

What benefits? The £86 billion spent on corporate welfare or the inadequate support we provide for the poorest and most vulnerable?

Same here.

Nothing would make me vote Tory.

Would you agree that there is a minority of people that can work but don't want to work as life is easier on benefits or they feel its not worth their while - or possibly they cant be arsed to get a job as the benefits inc rent paid via benefits does not make it "worth while" for them to work??

Cleary I am not talking about genuine claimants

Are you saying labour will tell the benefits officers to stop interviewing benefit claims and stop the benefits departments from stoping people's benefits is fraud or not following the rules is detected???

Are you saying labour will tell the benefits officers to stop interviewing benefit claims and stop the benefits departments from stoping people's benefits is fraud or not following the rules is detected???

Nobody is saying that and you absolutely know it.

OP, do you have any idea how hard it is for any claimants to get any money at all?

My brother is pretty much bed bound due to multiple health conditions including heart disease, asthma, degenerative spinal condition, diabetes, loss of use of one arm and is partially sighted.

Every couple of years he has to go through a tortuous PIP assessment that takes him, and me, weeks of work and almost breaks us both with worry. He would be destitute if we fail. Most times he fails first time. He fails!!!

We then have months of worry whilst we appeal on some small detail. Then back into the cycle of dreading the next time.

I am always interested in your posts. I don't always understand your intentions or motivations or why, for someone with no professed faith in any politician you are so interested in politics and vocal on political boards. I can't understand why someone as obviously disenchanted with the status quo you fail to countenance any other party.

That said, you've really lost me now. I hazard a guess you either live in a bubble where you know little at all or you intend to provoke for some reason you do not reveal.

So why have there been TW in women's spaces under the Tory government then? Biological men in women's prisons for eg?

Figures for trans people in jail have only been published since 2018.
So we have no idea how many there were in jail prior to that and what type of prison they were in.

Another issue in apportioning blame, if that’s what this is about, is that trans people put in a jail aligned with their biological sex ( which many were no idea on numbers ) take the matter to court against that ruling
In 2021, for example, a judge ruled a trans person should be in a prison according to their gender identity.
that person was biologically male but a trans women and had been put in a male prison. They took the issue to court and the judge stated this was against their human rights.

Sometimes, with the best will in the world a Government is damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

So in answer to your query.
No one knows what happened under Labour as there are no stats on the subject.
Current policy places prisoners by biological sex, but prisoners can take the matter to court in objection.

I do have a very good "idea" how "hard it is to claim benefits." I carried out assessments when I worked for soc service etc and I noted at time people that in my judgment should be on DAL or Atttendance Allwance then PiP, where not getting or rejected - I encouraged them or at times helped (not my role to complete forms) with completing forms or told them in plain Englaish what they needed to say - that helped many and many did contact our 'benefits dept.' - so
I DO "KNOW"

I also know that there was a good minority that clearly should be at work but were not.

We went a bit OT there

Therefore back on topic

Anyone know if the Labour leader/Starmer is aware what is going on with Ms D Abbot???

I’ll bite. What do you think is going on with Diane Abbott?

They've started yet another new thread to discuss this very issue.

I'm a woman, not a laydee. Not sure which the OP claims to be or how many "discuss for me" threads they plan to start.

Oh yes. Just seen.

I am considering voting Tory against a lot of my instincts (I honestly didn't think I'd be saying this last year) because of the private school VAT and they do seem to be following the Cass report on this and stopping operations on children. I do think they should be doing more to keep men out of women's sports. They seem to be the only party actually addressing women's issues, even if I don't think they've done a great job so far.

I've voted Lib Dem before but have been very disappointed on their stance for women and don't think I could vote for them again. I might go Green. Women's issues are important to me but having lived under the Tories for so long without much benefit as a single mother (I couldn't get back to work for a very long time because of lack of childcare provisions), I don't think they are my political home.

Because judges ruled they could.
Because Stonewall blindsided every Party at the time.
Now their is legislation against this in new buildings ( which we’ve never had before )

New legislation for an issue which has only just come to light recently.

Like I say, this could have been going on for years and years but Stonewall and the Trans movement have been pushing the boundaries more recently.

Good, open and honest posting

We've voted Tory and my parents as were my parents in-law were die-hard Labour voters - they came to England in the early 1960's, worked hard, saved hard, prudent with money etc and became financially comfortable and then noted how labour looked down on others via grafting 50/60 hours a week and Labours socialist views and what they practised (Just look at the Labour leaders wealth - nothing wrong with it but its not Labour really is, is it)

My parents turned to the Tories as did me and my siblings

Just like you I am honest and voted Tories but I've had enough of the pure, seriously pure BS, total BS re Mr Sunak coming out of number 10 to make live broadcasts that he would ensure, see-though the Rwanda plan. As importantly, failing to raise the tax allowance and the Tory members voting in a hideously dangerous MP ak MrsTruss

Re Labour - I believe they have been caught out with their pants down today after the report in the Guardian paper and Mr Starmer is no where to be seen

The Libs - who can forget their flagship policy if they ever "entered number 10.! - they did and we all know what happened

I am looking for an independent to vote for that is open and seriously honest, if that is possible and a person that is reasonable,

IMO, as more an more people are reading live update re politicians - the two main parties are losing voters. Liberals, now one aged over 20 will forget their hideous U turn re student fees nor forgive them

Just look at the Labour leaders wealth - nothing wrong with it but its not Labour really is, is it

You don't really want professionals leading the Labour party eh? I mean, fancy having a successful KC leading the party. It really should be someone fresh out of the mines who lives in a council house, shouldn't it?

Imagine having people who have worked in high earning careers and had some influence being in the labour party. Really labour should know their place.

And on and on ad nauseum.

Who do you think it is that has given away women's rights to single sex spaces over the last decade or so?

(Here's a clue - it wasnt labour).

It's no good u turning now, when the tories are the ones who created the current situation.

I can't wait for labour to win the election :)

Re Labour - I believe they have been caught out with their pants down today after the report in the Guardian paper and Mr Starmer is no where to be seen

That's because nobody reads the guardian so no response is necessary. That's why they have to beg for money on every page of their website.

and Labours going to protect them they??

@Dakotabluebell
responded to this before.
It keeps coming up so here’s a few previous responses if you missed them on other threads

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a post about jails as well if interested

I'm au fait with all the arguments. I'm still voting Labour because there's far far bigger issues facing women in this country. Like poverty, NHS, benefits, education, etc. I'm gender critical too. I can just see that it's the tories that got us into this mess and the only reason they're backtracking now is because they want to attract the far right vote away from reform. They couldn't give a fuck about women. Or anyone else unless they can milk it as a cash cow.

Just posted as you had suggested it was the Conservatives that gave away women’s safe spaces. you said ‘here’s a clue it wasn’t Labour’

So always worth knowing….no party gave away womens safe spaces.