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General election 2024

Would you vote for this lot if they "protected women's rights"??

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 26/05/2024 12:27

IMO, for millions this may be a deal breaker.

I'm all for equality and that stuff, etc. However, reading Labour stance on women rights Vs Conservatives stance on women's rights.

Will Labour voters who are ladies vote Conservatives just because of their stance on 'women's rights'?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/16/rishi-sunak-amend-equality-act-single-sex-spaces-sport/

Tories plan to amend Equality Act to protect single-sex spaces

Government considers manifesto pledge to overhaul New Labour’s equality laws in effort to protect women-only spaces and female sports

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/16/rishi-sunak-amend-equality-act-single-sex-spaces-sport

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 27/05/2024 09:58

itsgettingweird · 27/05/2024 07:52

Right now I'll be voting about unless LD or greens come up with something spectacular!

I won't be voting for the party who have presided over the decimation of woman the past 14 years.

They've cut services which mean woman who are in abusive relationships find it harder to leave.

Massively raised rents make it harder for woman to leave.

Education and health care decimated which disproportionately affect woman.

Not to mention the number of the Tory MPs accused of sexual assault.

Labour have pledged to protect sex based rights even if they are for GRC.

I'm not a single issue voter. But I love being British and won't vote for a party who has systematically destroyed Britain for over a decade.

The LD, do you really want to throw your vote in the bin?? You recall their flagship manaifesto promise re "student fees"???

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"Massively raised rents make it harder for woman to leave." - Did the government do that and if you how. Let me help you - its market forces.

The Tories spout BS as do Labour - but look up their plans re womens rights and you have the answer

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Churchview · 27/05/2024 10:16

This 'lady' is voting Labour.

Lifelikinotdothinki · 27/05/2024 10:17

RedHelenB · 27/05/2024 08:13

It was under the Tories that the safe spaces disappeared. Why can you not vote Labour exactly? If its just down to this one issue I'd be making it very clear to my prospective MP what my views were on this.

I’m massively struggling to see that the Labour Party have anything to offer women. Having said that, I can’t see any political party who cares about us.

Crikeyalmighty · 27/05/2024 10:21

Absolutely not- because other things matter just as much in protecting women in general- more affordable homes, maternity care and general health, arseholes kept 'in prison' -

BIossomtoes · 27/05/2024 10:58

Rosie Duffield is still persona non gratis

She’s still a Labour MP too. She seems far less upset about her status than her fans. I’m far more pissed off about how the Labour Party has treated Diane Abbott.

GivePeaceAChance · 27/05/2024 11:00

Screamingabdabz · 27/05/2024 09:48

Good luck then when Labour get in a redefine the legal meaning of ‘woman’ to include men. If any woman or girl you care about is in a vulnerable position where they need a single sex space, this will be denied and you’ll be gaslighted and persecuted as a bigot.

And worse, if they get harmed or assaulted by any man - who by this point will have a perfectly legitimate right to be amongst vulnerable women - the perpetrator be treated as just another woman like you and me. Actually not like the average woman, they’ll be treated and fawned over as a special delicate person. Not as the manipulative loophole-seeking opportunist male they are.

And if you value women’s sports, say goodbye to those.

Already sick of the lack of research and care for women’s health? Well it’ll be the health of all ‘people’ then. Back to prioritising men.

It makes me so depressed and angry to think that all our rights and safeties will just go once Labour get in. The Greens and Lib Dems are even worse. We all think the Tories are a shit show but be careful what you wish for.

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i just don’t understand why people don’t understand the importance of this issue.

nonmerci99 · 27/05/2024 11:01

I’m not eligible to vote, but if I were, there’s no way in hell I’d be voting Tory.

bombastix · 27/05/2024 11:02

I don’t know; what do Reform say on this issue? I mean they seem to be very sensible on most issues

BIossomtoes · 27/05/2024 11:03

bombastix · 27/05/2024 11:02

I don’t know; what do Reform say on this issue? I mean they seem to be very sensible on most issues

😂

Seaitoverthere · 27/05/2024 11:19

Absolutely nothing could induce me to vote for the Conservative Party currently.

Max28W · 27/05/2024 11:24

As things stand both Labour and Cons set to protect women's spaces

  • Labour supports the single-sex exceptions in the Equality Act 2010 that allow for discrimination on the basis of biological sex in all contexts in which single-sex or separate-sex services or facilities are “a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim”. “Legitimate aim” includes everyday privacy, dignity and for reasons of safeguarding and women-only services.

Infringement of womens rights vs infringement of trans rights is an issue that needs the ruling party to have sensible honest conversations and debates free from corruptive influence. I'm not going to vote for Cons based on that. They have proven how untrustworthy they are.

I'm no longer a member...I'm not sure if I need to be, but I shall be carefully considering and engaging with The Labour Women's Declaration

They have a petition https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/labour-womens-declaration

Petition LABOUR WOMEN'S DECLARATION

LABOUR WOMEN'S DECLARATION

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/labour-womens-declaration

DrJonesIpresume · 27/05/2024 13:21

The only rights the Tories will ever really care about and protect are the rights of the weathy and privileged to hold on to as much of their money as possible.

Pieceofpurplesky · 27/05/2024 13:22

@GivePeaceAChance I think women do understand the importance of it but when struggling to decide whether to feed the kids or pay for heating it's way down a list of priorities.

I am broke. The system is broken. I care for my parents and work - I don't get anything for showering them, cooking, cleaning, dressing, wiping their backsides etc. they get 1/2 hour care a day from social services who turn up goodness knows when or who. I don't get a penny because, despite having to give up a full time job to work evenings for them, I earn more than £135 a week and therefore am not entitled - I don't earn enough to pay my mortgage and bills.

This is why lots of women are voting labour. The tories have made life impossible for many like me.

Bululu · 27/05/2024 13:24

Yes, I would never vote Labour because I do not want to live in the new San Francisco. KS would be much worst. However, he will get the keys to number 10 in 5 weeks. Unfortunately, the Tories have themselves to blame but at least the further destruction or erasure of women won’t be on me.

AutumnCrow · 27/05/2024 14:05

RedHelenB · 27/05/2024 08:13

It was under the Tories that the safe spaces disappeared. Why can you not vote Labour exactly? If its just down to this one issue I'd be making it very clear to my prospective MP what my views were on this.

I have.

But I don't owe him my vote. He actually said 'we need less heat, more light' at me. Such a bloody cliché. (I did let him know I wasn't impressed with the Nandyisms.)

BlueJamSandwich · 27/05/2024 18:06

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 27/05/2024 09:58

The LD, do you really want to throw your vote in the bin?? You recall their flagship manaifesto promise re "student fees"???

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"Massively raised rents make it harder for woman to leave." - Did the government do that and if you how. Let me help you - its market forces.

The Tories spout BS as do Labour - but look up their plans re womens rights and you have the answer

Of course the government caused rent increases, through a combination of not building social housing, not taxing second homes and air bnbs adequately, deliberately dragging their heels on processing asylum schemes and believing that the free market works in favour of the population.

Tootiredforallthiscrap · 27/05/2024 18:50

@Bululu 😂

Durdledore · 27/05/2024 18:55

I will be voting Labour, despite Keir Starmer not knowing what a woman is.

The Tories have run mental health and other community services into the fucking ground. I believe in us all helping each other out.

The gender shitshow needs sorting, it has needed sorting since the 1950s (since the beginning of time actually?) but I’m not going to blame Labour for being blind to the bigger picture on this. It’s a mess.

But first I want Labour to get in to spend my taxes on stuff that matters to me, like education, mental health, and other stuff like that for people who need it most.

Lifelikinotdothinki · 27/05/2024 19:50

Screamingabdabz · 27/05/2024 09:48

Good luck then when Labour get in a redefine the legal meaning of ‘woman’ to include men. If any woman or girl you care about is in a vulnerable position where they need a single sex space, this will be denied and you’ll be gaslighted and persecuted as a bigot.

And worse, if they get harmed or assaulted by any man - who by this point will have a perfectly legitimate right to be amongst vulnerable women - the perpetrator be treated as just another woman like you and me. Actually not like the average woman, they’ll be treated and fawned over as a special delicate person. Not as the manipulative loophole-seeking opportunist male they are.

And if you value women’s sports, say goodbye to those.

Already sick of the lack of research and care for women’s health? Well it’ll be the health of all ‘people’ then. Back to prioritising men.

It makes me so depressed and angry to think that all our rights and safeties will just go once Labour get in. The Greens and Lib Dems are even worse. We all think the Tories are a shit show but be careful what you wish for.

Yes 👏👏👏

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 27/05/2024 20:29

BlueJamSandwich · 27/05/2024 18:06

Of course the government caused rent increases, through a combination of not building social housing, not taxing second homes and air bnbs adequately, deliberately dragging their heels on processing asylum schemes and believing that the free market works in favour of the population.

You will say that as clearly you support socialist Labour with their multimillionaire leader. I wish everyone in England had the Labour leader's wealth and that would indeed be, socialism in the truest of meanings

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 27/05/2024 20:35

Pieceofpurplesky · 27/05/2024 13:22

@GivePeaceAChance I think women do understand the importance of it but when struggling to decide whether to feed the kids or pay for heating it's way down a list of priorities.

I am broke. The system is broken. I care for my parents and work - I don't get anything for showering them, cooking, cleaning, dressing, wiping their backsides etc. they get 1/2 hour care a day from social services who turn up goodness knows when or who. I don't get a penny because, despite having to give up a full time job to work evenings for them, I earn more than £135 a week and therefore am not entitled - I don't earn enough to pay my mortgage and bills.

This is why lots of women are voting labour. The tories have made life impossible for many like me.

So what will you socialist Labour lot do to address this and their confusion about gender??

I do agree with socialist labour and many that support Labour that we should be "nuclear free zone" but the labour leader has ditched that idea in the hope for more votes and forget those that were loyal and stood shoulder to shoulder supporting a nuclear free Brtiain

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 27/05/2024 20:36

GivePeaceAChance · 27/05/2024 11:00

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i just don’t understand why people don’t understand the importance of this issue.

could it be that benefits are more important??

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AmpleFatball · 27/05/2024 20:45

The Tories have had 14 years to change the laws to better protect single sex spaces.

In truth, they probably are not the easiest laws to successfully change because the European Court of Human Rights have determined that people have the right to be legally recognized as their chosen sex. Laws that impede on that could be subject to legal challenges and, possibly, a declaration by the ECHR that the law is in violation. A successful change is probably going to require a detailed analysis into where single sex spaces are justifiable and proportionate.

The Tories nominally started this process by writing to the Equality and Human Rights Commission for a preliminary analysis on the virtues of introducing the concept of biological sex into the Equalities Act (a move that Starmer professed to support). The Equality and Human Rights Commission did give a response with some guidance but the Tories have sat on their hands ever since. It was widely speculated that they wouldn’t actually move ahead with changing the law, so that they’d be able to campaign on the issue at the next - i.e. this - election instead). It seems that is exactly what has happened - instead of changing the law they have left it unchanged so that they can try and win votes by promising future changes if re-elected.

Frankly, I’m skeptical that the Tories would actually see this process out if re-elected. They’ve had the time and means to make changes but seem to have deliberately avoided doing so and it hasn’t been high on their legislative agenda.

For what it’s worth, Labour have also pledged to clarify the law on single sex spaces, to protect single sex spaces. I have similar doubts as to whether they’d follow through, too.

AmpleFatball · 27/05/2024 20:49

What Labour have actually said (single their pivot):

“We need to recognise that sex and gender are different – as the Equality Act does. We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act. Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

Will be interesting to see what is included in the manifesto on this front, though.

BlueJamSandwich · 27/05/2024 21:56

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 27/05/2024 20:29

You will say that as clearly you support socialist Labour with their multimillionaire leader. I wish everyone in England had the Labour leader's wealth and that would indeed be, socialism in the truest of meanings

I said it because it's true. I'm not a Labour voter or have I suggested anyone vote Labour. Your understanding of politics seems as limited as your understanding of economics. Labour have committed to following broadly the same neoliberal economic path as this government. Why would a socialist vote for that?