AIBU to think no one agrees with conscription. Does Rushi want to loose the election? This feels like a threat not and election promise?

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This has been popping up on my SM overnight. I feel like Rushinis doing his best to throw this election.

Who exactly thinks Conscription is a good idea and how would it work??

There has always been bullying,
there are plenty of adults addicted to their phones and porn. Maybe we need to parent ourselves and them better.

Hmm … no they wouldn’t, not if it was mandatory and a punishable offence if you opted out.

This reminds me of when Teresa May said she would bring back fox hunting. I found myself explaining to some young people what fox hunting was, that lost Teresa some votes!
Who knows what is going on in Rishis head, he doesn't seem very good at politics to me.

This used to happen before the comprehensive system was introduced except it was at age 11 when kids were split into academically able and less able following the 11+.
Those less able went on to trades such as builders, shop workers, plumbers, factory and mine workers.
There was something on the radio a while back featuring a man who failed his 11+ and felt a failure all of his life. He never had the option for any further education.
I guess whatever system they come up with needs to be more flexible and not regimented as in the past.

I think it's great to hear that the current Government have found a pot of money that can be used for an initiative aimed at giving school leavers who do not already have a clear career path more training and direction, helping young people make positive connections in their local communities and tackling the problems of anti-social behaviour and county lines etc. But conscription/forced 'volunteering' is not the right thing to spend the money on.

What might help would be support for families and children in deprived areas (we could perhaps call this 'Sure Start', just as an idea), investment in training and education for all young people, investment in policing at local level, funding of high quality careers advice for all, properly funded social services and mental health support. All things that this Government has de-funded.

So I can only conclude that this is yet another example of trying to distract from the real issues and appeal to a certain sort of voter. Probably with a view to paying their mates billions to consult in plans and badly administer it if they do get in.

@Didimum

60% of those ages 65+ in 2016.

The ever beloved socialist nations of the Nordic countries have had a form of conscription for years. France is re-introducing it. I don't think it is a necessarily "out there" idea.

Where did I say I was offended by this, let alone perpetually?
I’m suggesting it might be less polarising if we didn’t make quite such sweeping statements about large groups of people.

If you can’t understand the impact that the today’s internet and SM has had on the young people vs older people who weren’t raised with it I cba discussing further

I do agree parenting should be better though, but sadly it’s not .

It’s not “out there” at all. Someone above said something dramatic like “why should they have to do something NO ONE IN LIVING MEMORY HAS HAD TO?”

plenty of people currently alive today are doing these sorts of things. But can’t let that get in the way of the truth! The tories have suggested it so it’s evil and wrong!

It’s not a volunteer scheme encouraging young people to get involved though, is it? It’s a compulsory scheme with as-yet-undefined consequences for refusing. So what you’re saying is it’s odd how people would really like a positive policy from Labour but dislike divisive unpleasant ones from Tories. Is it really odd?

He who does not work shall not eat.

Yes, we were discussing the European Referendum in 2016. What’s your point? The 8yr shift of new 65+ year olds? The same voting statistics of 55-65yr olds in 2016 was 57% percent, which actually tallies with the latest available data set which sees 55% of 65+ demographic as voting Conservative and Reform.

I didn’t say you said you were offended. Your replies heavily suggest you are offended.

It may indeed be less polarising for age demographics not to be used in political data, but you should take that up with the powers that be, not me. Don’t shoot the messenger.

I have been saying for ages.
Why should we, as tax payers, keep funding NEETS who have absolutely no intention of ever getting a job?
Fair enough if they’ve got health problems and cannot work, but the majority are fit and able to engage in some sort of employment or scheme..
Young people need discipline and skills that they will only learn by working.
If they refuse, no handouts or financial aid.

This I what you wrote. To me. Perhaps try to refrain from being perpetually offended. You definitely did say I was offended. I see nothing in my posts which suggests offence - it would be surprising if there were, as I’m not offended - just pointing out continually posting negatively about a group when not much more than half of them match the negative view you have is a bit unhelpful.

I think he's trying to woo back the Reform voters ..

It won't work with our population/culture. However I'm curious if people here also view the European countries in which it has been implemented so negatively.
If it would work here I would view it as a positive experience.

By the time they are 18 it would be way too late to stop them being recruited into county lines or gangs.

We need to catch them early! National service for the under 10s! Compulsory voluntary community service for toddlers!

or, the government could fund social services, education, policing and welfare properly and reduce poverty. That would help, more than browbeating unruly children from disadvantaged backgrounds in 1950s style military camps.

In theory it's a really good thing and I'd encourage my daughters to be positive about it.
I volunteered as a teenager with a charity my dad was involved in and I've encouraged my children to complete the 50 hours each at sixth form. It can bring so many skills that are valuable in later life.
I know of three teenagers sitting around doing absolutely nothing without any reason and this sort of initiative would be good for them.
Not sure I'll vote Tory because of it but I don't dislike it in principle

I’m an older voter (70+). I was unlikely to vote Tory in the first place but this makes the decision very easy. I do not want my grandchildren or anyone else’s to be conscripted.

Even if you think this

. This not been thought through ...who is training them
The cost will be billions
Volunteering at weekends in the nhs? A) its not volunteering if you're made to do it
B) the NHS doesn't have capacity to train or have sulky teens that don't want to be there being under their feet.
C) as a sick patient i dont want anyone around me thats not positive

County libes affects kids in schills this will do nothing to prevent thar

Ridiculous

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Indeed. All of my older generation ( now retired) would be pro this. My kids all get DLA to varying degrees and SEN. One is severely disabled. They also think that's a load of BS even when they could clearly see that child non verbal at 7 years old. When talking about him not sitting GCSEs I was told that ludicrous as ever child sits gcses. Includeding brain injured tube Feb vented kids too I presume as disability is BS in kids. The amount of woman my mother's age telling me they could sort him with a week living with them is significant.

You cant reason with them and they will be slavering that putting their gc into a war zone would slap the stupid out of them.

Some people will love this. Not everyone will say it openly but lots more think like this quietly. I think therefore it's going to be popular with the "I'm ok" crowd.

My ds would need intensive support to be a massive hindrance in any kind of first line support system

The nail in the coffin for the Conservatives. Kids don't want to be forced to do it. Parents & grandparents don't want their children doing it. Usually people generally vote on the party they believe will benefit them most financially/improve living standards etc - but the liberty and wellbeing of people's children Trumps all of that!!
I predict diehard Tory voters voting Labour on this policy alone...
Also.... would Rishi's own kids be exempt because they hold dual nationality???