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General election 2024

National Service if Tories are re-elected

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MaryMaryVeryContrary · 25/05/2024 22:13

Thoughts? 🍿 Grin

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StillCreatingAName · 26/05/2024 09:19

Meh, he’s just throwing sweeties to the Reform crowd, who now find themselves without a clown at the top of their ‘party’ now that Farage has followed the money and fame route.

Fully expect many more ideas from the mind of Siobhan Sharpe, as this campaign continues…

WoshPank · 26/05/2024 09:19

Workasateamanddoitmyway · 26/05/2024 09:16

I hope you are right but remember we aren't actually an island any more and the Channel is tiny. Russia is getting its act together on the war front footing and its technology is improving re physical warfare (eg blocking the US missiles). If it wins its unlikely to rest on its laurels and NATO countries are potential targets. I would think we are a major target and a useful one to take out for any enemy as a leading NATO member. We can't be sure of anything these days.

I get your point about Sunak though.

Again, being a major target and being a target for a land invasion like those in Ukraine and in Israel on 7th October aren't the same thing. There are lots of ways the UK could be and is targeted without anyone having to get anywhere near us, or indeed invade France to get to the Channel Tunnel.

GiantTagliatelle · 26/05/2024 09:19

Chickenuggetsticks · 26/05/2024 09:18

Sweden, Norway and Denmark have something like it don’t they? I think it might be an ok idea. I could see DD really enjoying it.

Edited

Would you do it yourself?

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 26/05/2024 09:20

WoshPank · 26/05/2024 09:13

You're not the arbiter of what constitutes unpleasant, though.

There has to be a line. Too many people are dropping out of society due to subjective ‘anxiety’. It sounds harsh but it’s the truth. We want everything well funded but many people find work ‘too much’.

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JacketPotatoFoodOfTheGods · 26/05/2024 09:20

SpentAll · 26/05/2024 09:04

“ appeal to the sort of people who wank over spitfires…”

😂😂😂😂

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Nappyvalley15 · 26/05/2024 09:20

There would need to be a very wide range of volunteering opportunities available. Some would also need to be set up to help young people with additional needs, anxiety, etc. so offering higher levels of support and more flexibility. Some would probably be online. If you could get that right, it would be no bad thing. But it would take a lot of effort and investment.

It would make our society more resilient if you could get it right.

I imagine some of this would be paid by the increased defence budget. I could be wrong.

Carly944 · 26/05/2024 09:20

JacketPotatoFoodOfTheGods · 26/05/2024 09:18

I'm sure you're not 18 if your granddad fought in WW2.

Of course I'm not 18.

If people can try to read, I believe I wrote "if I was 18 I would like to do it"

GuinnessBird · 26/05/2024 09:20

Apparently it'll be funded by cracking down on tax avoidance, why haven't they cracked down already?

WoshPank · 26/05/2024 09:21

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 26/05/2024 09:20

There has to be a line. Too many people are dropping out of society due to subjective ‘anxiety’. It sounds harsh but it’s the truth. We want everything well funded but many people find work ‘too much’.

And what exactly qualifies or entitles you to decide what this line is?

TheRiddle · 26/05/2024 09:21

RISHI POSTER 'Your Country Needs You'

Sorry my teenager is too fat to fight
Sorry mine has got mental health problems
Sorry mine has just got a Saturday job in Morrisons
Sorry mine's just started an Art history course at Uni
Sorry mine only gets up at night and sleeps during the day
Sorry mine's a very successful drug dealer
Sorry mine's still saving up for his house deposit only 12 more years to go
Sorry mine can't decide if he's a boy or a girl
Sorry mine is addicted to porn and spends 18 hours a day on his computer
Sorry mine has just got the latest smart phone and does not want it to get damaged

Email from Rishi to Putin
Dear Putin I have consulted with the people of my country and this July is not convenient for you to attack us. We shall get back to you in due course when we have agreed a more convenient time. In the meantime please don't nuke us or release a biological weapon into our air while we sleep.
Many thanks
Rishi

Carly944 · 26/05/2024 09:21

It is optional though.

No one should bever be forced to do anything

GuinnessBird · 26/05/2024 09:22

Carly944 · 26/05/2024 09:19

God youre talking the biggest amount of crap.

How exactly would me joining the army in another country honour my grandfather. Can you explain that. Youre talking rubbish.

Did you join the reserves in the UK Simon?

Why not?

Edited

They've got a point, why should others do their grandad proud if you won't?

Grmumpy · 26/05/2024 09:22

Here is a better idea for Rishi..Umuganda. This is true apparently. The last Saturday of every month is a national holiday in Rwanda and everyone has to work for 3 hours, I think 8-11, on community tasks including litter picking. Or perhaps Keir would like this little gem of an idea. I would be amazed if it works well in Rwanda but who knows?

Grmumpy · 26/05/2024 09:22

And I am against conscription

bozzabollix · 26/05/2024 09:23

Jessie21 · 25/05/2024 23:44

Personally I think teenagers need to do some form of volunteering. They're all so rude these days it would do them god

How many young people do you know? My job is working with late teens. They’re all lovely, responsible, polite people.

I think how you approach or treat young people also has a big effect on how they treat you.

Workasateamanddoitmyway · 26/05/2024 09:23

WoshPank · 26/05/2024 09:19

Again, being a major target and being a target for a land invasion like those in Ukraine and in Israel on 7th October aren't the same thing. There are lots of ways the UK could be and is targeted without anyone having to get anywhere near us, or indeed invade France to get to the Channel Tunnel.

Yes of course. We've always assumed that since the Second WW, land wars are extinct and no European country could be invaded by another hence running down the army. But events have shown otherwise and shit happens.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 26/05/2024 09:24

Personally I think we'd be looking at "Leave the World Behind" tactics for modern "invasion". Our absolute dependence on technology for infrastructure will be our likely undoing.

I'm going to take the attitude that pretty much everything is hot air and unlikely to happen, while keeping a few essentials ready just in case.

We're being played by all sides.

Natsku · 26/05/2024 09:24

While I definitely don't think the Tories are capable of organising a functioning national service system, it is possible to do so and many countries do have it. I live in a country with national service, my partner did his service and was trained as a medic (so quite useful). Can train in all different kinds of areas, some which will be of benefit in civilian life (e.g. driver training, medic training, communications etc.) and some giving useful life skills, plus of course benefits to health from all the exercise (something sorely needed by the youth today). Some get picked for officer training and finish as an officer. There's even a sports troop where athletes go so they can continue their sports training while doing their service.

My brother started off doing military service but didn't get on with it so switched to civilian service, where you get a months training in violence prevention, rescue and civil protection, citizen influence, and the environment and society (things that people really should learn) and then worked in a research lab. Flat paid for, all meals provided or food allowance paid, if you rent your own home that you can stay in during the service all costs are paid but if you have to move elsewhere you can get an allowance to cover your rent while you're not there.

The Tory idea of a weekend a month volunteering is ridiculous, there's no time to train them so they will not be of any use. The civilian side would need to be done properly, with training and full time work. And all accommodation and meals would need to be covered. And of course you would need to be able to delay it until after university if you want to.

My son will have to do his service, my daughter possibly, if they change the rules to make it compulsory for women. I have no issue with them doing this, it helps social cohesion, with people from all walks of life working together, and it shows as a very high percentage of the population willing to defend our country. Also its good for networking.

QuantumPanic · 26/05/2024 09:24

@LuluBlakey1

"As a nation we have slipped a huge distance in terms of taking personal responsibility, expecting to contribute to a wider society, parenting standards, caring about the environment, animal welfare , doing the right thing because it's the right thing, manners, honesty, kindness, morality."

I agree. Most of us are pretty useless, pretty wet and extremely entitled. I don't hate the idea of national service, if correctly implemented, but can't see it working in the UK because of the above. The reason we need it is the reason it won't work.

I think a better way of spending the money would be to ship all 16 year olds off to the Highlands for two weeks. No phones, a bivvy bag, a map, some chlorine tablets and one set of clothes each. Drop them in pairs near Ben Hope and tell them they'll be picked up in Fort William.

I think most people don't realise what they can do (and do without).

Workasateamanddoitmyway · 26/05/2024 09:24

TheRiddle · 26/05/2024 09:21

RISHI POSTER 'Your Country Needs You'

Sorry my teenager is too fat to fight
Sorry mine has got mental health problems
Sorry mine has just got a Saturday job in Morrisons
Sorry mine's just started an Art history course at Uni
Sorry mine only gets up at night and sleeps during the day
Sorry mine's a very successful drug dealer
Sorry mine's still saving up for his house deposit only 12 more years to go
Sorry mine can't decide if he's a boy or a girl
Sorry mine is addicted to porn and spends 18 hours a day on his computer
Sorry mine has just got the latest smart phone and does not want it to get damaged

Email from Rishi to Putin
Dear Putin I have consulted with the people of my country and this July is not convenient for you to attack us. We shall get back to you in due course when we have agreed a more convenient time. In the meantime please don't nuke us or release a biological weapon into our air while we sleep.
Many thanks
Rishi

🤣🤣🤣

LanternL1ght5 · 26/05/2024 09:25

GuinnessBird · 26/05/2024 09:20

Apparently it'll be funded by cracking down on tax avoidance, why haven't they cracked down already?

This and aren’t there better things to spend it on?

Simonjt · 26/05/2024 09:25

Carly944 · 26/05/2024 09:19

God youre talking the biggest amount of crap.

How exactly would me joining the army in another country honour my grandfather. Can you explain that. Youre talking rubbish.

Did you join the reserves in the UK Simon?

Why not?

Edited

Well joining the forces and risking my life wouldn’t make people who love me proud, it would rightly horrify them, people who love you don’t seek for you to be harmed.

Plus I’m not the one claiming that I would enjoy it, would like to make a relative proud by doing it, yet then making sure I do anything in my power to avoid doing it.

Carly944 · 26/05/2024 09:25

GuinnessBird · 26/05/2024 09:22

They've got a point, why should others do their grandad proud if you won't?

No they don't have a point. Because that's not what I said at all.

I didn't say that I wouldn't do it.

I said that I WOULD do it. And also said that others should have a choice to do it or not.

I didn't live in the UK when I was 18. I was living in another country.

If I was now living in the UK, and age 18, I would choose to do national service.

I would want to do it.

I said others should have the choice if they want to do it or not. It shouldn't be forced on anyone

Chickenuggetsticks · 26/05/2024 09:26

GiantTagliatelle · 26/05/2024 09:19

Would you do it yourself?

Erm I actually did do one of the options on the national service scheme, I did community service by helping out at a care home for a year.

It was run by my school and we all had to look for places to be helpful for one afternoon a week. I survived the experience 🤷🏽‍♀️

I think they are looking at the norweigen model which only allows 30’000 military national service placements, the rest are civic roles. DD is a different person and would want to no doubt do something with the military instead. But there are options for all sorts of people.

I think service is important, serving your community is important and perhaps it would be a good thing if British kids gave it a go.

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