National Service if Tories are re-elected

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Thoughts? 🍿

I would guess half their reason for announcing this is to appeal to the reform vote. The other half is to provide an opportunity to say Labour are soft on defense in an increasingly dangerous world when they inevitably tear the policy to shreds.

Don't worry about this as long as it sys there is record of your yearly donation to the consevative assocation we will have no use for you teens .

This with bells on!!!!! Tory youngsters will have plummy internships in medicine or “ procurement” thus furthering their life chances whilst the rest will just have additional pressures.

Do you know much about how it actually works in practice in Israel, out of interest? There's a whole cohort of Israeli society who've always been exempt, and it's rather a politically controversial issue.

Wonder which Tory peer is going to get the uniform contract. 🤔

I'm 63 - you're right - we have a referendum and everybody who votes for it, if it wins and isn't in the youth cohort has automatically put in their names as compulsory application for the more adult "volunteers" - with sanctions if they don't. No representation without taxation.

I wonder what conversations are going in the houses of Tory MPs this morning with their teenagers And the feedback they are receiving from their children and their children's social media!

Who are the "Tory youngsters" out of interest? Children of people who voted Conservative? Conservative voters themselves? Is that a requirement for these plummy internships? Just need to know for my kids..

And I thought doctors supported Labour? Or not the Conservatives anyway.

To my understanding sweden has a selective conscription. So only 5% of age group (men or women) end up serving. In Finland they have general conscriptio and around 75-80% of men end up serving and a very small percentage of women.

I have only read headlines so not sure about Sunaks vision but there seems to be a few ways European countries are doing it.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service

Is anyone else thinking of that Thick Of It Episode?

Agree, they’re trying to goad Labour into saying something stupid.

As for Reform, well that’s a party for the idiots. You can tell because Tice himself is standing in Boston & Skegness - of course he’s picked the constituency where he has most chance of winning.

Boston is the 2nd thickest (and coincidentally the most obese) town in the UK. So he’ll do well.

No I don't but read my follow up post. I'm not a supporter of this policy.

There's definitely something up - Russell Brand hasn't done a video about it yet.

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Don't worry darling , we don't mean you , taxes and conscription are for the little people.

Will those forcibly conscripted get the option to stay on the island? There’s something fundamentally undemocratic about the idea that the govt (when it chooses to exercise such powers) can take control and send young people to fight for a war they might not choose rather than protecting them. Our youth are just collateral damage : what kind of future will they have? The first duty of the state should be to defend, not sacrifice its young people because it never properly looked after defence.

Oh no, not our kids. Just like it’s not our kids picking fruit, or pulling up vegetables. That’s for the others.

You're very right!

The Tories floating this now is obviously completely irrelevant. But the entitlement some people feel to the labour of the young always interests me. Not just in the context of National Service either.

Utterly brilliant , Ianucci says the whole political landscape is beyond satire now it is satire. Johnson, Truss - WTAF. Free school milk ?

“All gone a bit JG Ballard” 😀😀

I actually think some form of this set up would be good and beneficial in sorting out the disrespectful young adults we’ve raised, but not at the level put forward by Rishak. It really sounds like self sabotage - the majority of the UK electorate won’t buy into this concept. And he knows it.

I think MPs should do National Service before standing for election. A minimum of a year in a minimum wage job in a vulnerable part of society.

It can be done but NS in some countries such as Israel have been a long established and more importantly a continuing process for many years

In the UK HMG privatised/down sized/sold off a lot of HM Forces training establishments and facilities PDQ once the Berlin Wall had come down…

I’m sure some of it could be ramped up again but not quickly and not cheaply.

I saw that you're not a supporter. It's the fact that you said Israel shows it can be done. That's not an accurate description of how it works in Israel. Haredim are exempt, and that's a very politically and socially divisive issue.

They also fucked up the messaging - it's 25 days volunteering a year - NOT 1 weekend a month.

25 days a year for how many years though?

I bet the organisations who are expected to have these "volunteers" weren't consulted.

The last thing charities who support older people want it is to organise a whole load of "volunteers" at a weekend. This plan looks like it's not even been discussed with voluntary organisations.